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I don’t think it’s that. I think it’s the coarse, high level statistics provided by the article aren’t in line with what the majority of Americans are experienc

by pylua 2y ago

I don’t think it’s that. I think it’s the coarse, high level statistics provided by the article aren’t in line with what the majority of Americans are experiencing. For instance, crime may be decreasing, but it could be increasing where there are more people, meaning more people think crime is increasing. I’m not sure if that is true or not, but I feel like it is with perceptions of the economy.

Retric 2y ago
Crimes way down in populated areas. EX: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City#/media/File:New_York_Murders_Annually_-_1928-2023.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City#/media/... Note that’s absolute numbers not rates. I know people who have noticed the massive reduction in crime inside cities, and still think it’s up overall. Part of the issue is news stories harp on bad news when rates are slightly higher than last year, but not when they drop so random noise ends up looking like a steady increase.
- pylua 2y ago
  I don’t understand the crime one personally. Just a guess: 1) people who migrate to larger cities are exposed to more crime 2) not many people from the 1950s around that can really compare accurately
  - Retric 2y ago
    NYC crime only really fell in the 90’s, that’s in living memory for a large chunk of the population and there where noticeable improvements up until COVID. Though you could be right with how many young people moved to cities after things improved.
  - phil21 2y ago
    In my city I could very much believe overall crime is down, but due to recent social events crime is far more spread out. Areas that used to experience very little crime are now seeing far more. Areas that saw crazy levels of crime leveled off some. Crimes that were basically unheard of in my neighborhood 5 years ago (carjackings and armed muggings, for example) are now a weekly common occurrence. This will absolutely create the impression for residents in my neighborhood that crime is up. It went from something you barely thought about, to something you now plan your night around to not be walking home alone in the dark. Reporting is also a problem. I know of two people who were violently mugged to the point of one being hospitalized who did not report it to the police since they knew it was utterly pointless to do so.
- dinkumthinkum 2y ago
  When you all say “crime down not crime up” you are not saying compared to what. If you want to compare against the worst crime levels in American history, congratulations. But crime has been up in major cities due to the George Floyd effect, that’s just reality. The leftist incredulity does not change reality.

by pylua 2y ago

Retric 2y ago

Crimes way down in populated areas. EX: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City#/media/File:New_York_Murders_Annually_-_1928-2023.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City#/media/... Note that’s absolute numbers not rates. I know people who have noticed the massive reduction in crime inside cities, and still think it’s up overall. Part of the issue is news stories harp on bad news when rates are slightly higher than last year, but not when they drop so random noise ends up looking like a steady increase.

pylua 2y ago
I don’t understand the crime one personally. Just a guess: 1) people who migrate to larger cities are exposed to more crime 2) not many people from the 1950s around that can really compare accurately
- Retric 2y ago
  NYC crime only really fell in the 90’s, that’s in living memory for a large chunk of the population and there where noticeable improvements up until COVID. Though you could be right with how many young people moved to cities after things improved.
- phil21 2y ago
  In my city I could very much believe overall crime is down, but due to recent social events crime is far more spread out. Areas that used to experience very little crime are now seeing far more. Areas that saw crazy levels of crime leveled off some. Crimes that were basically unheard of in my neighborhood 5 years ago (carjackings and armed muggings, for example) are now a weekly common occurrence. This will absolutely create the impression for residents in my neighborhood that crime is up. It went from something you barely thought about, to something you now plan your night around to not be walking home alone in the dark. Reporting is also a problem. I know of two people who were violently mugged to the point of one being hospitalized who did not report it to the police since they knew it was utterly pointless to do so.
dinkumthinkum 2y ago
When you all say “crime down not crime up” you are not saying compared to what. If you want to compare against the worst crime levels in American history, congratulations. But crime has been up in major cities due to the George Floyd effect, that’s just reality. The leftist incredulity does not change reality.