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Legalyze.ai: Review Medical Records with AI
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- Yoric 2y agoDo I understand correctly that this is an AI that will be used to sue or otherwise take law-related decisions? What can go wrong?
- chrisford 2y agoNo, everything is human-monitored. There is a startup working on AI arbitration though - https://judgeai.space/ https://judgeai.space/
- threecheese 2y agoPolitely, stick it.
- chrisford 2y agoWhy? We are just another AI agent trying to help humans automate tedious work.
- threecheese 2y agoSpecifically, because you will require vast human health records to train your model, and that model will interact with my health records, and I trust you just about as far as I can throw you as a steward of my or the public’s data. You will intentionally or accidentally expose me to risk, with no meaningful punishment. Now as a person, of course I’m sure you are kind and responsible and we’d have a lovely lunch (and I mean that). It sounds like a fascinating problem to solve. As a group though, acting within a regulatory regime that doesn’t value privacy at all - excepting that one law from 1996 with more holes than my socks - you just can’t be trusted. Would you claim personal responsibility for any downside risks your product introduces, in a “like for like” manner with respect to the actual damage caused? Like if a doctor relying on your product caused a death?
- giantfrog 2y agoLooks like an efficient way to lose a lawsuit.
- chrisford 2y agoIt finds details that are hard for humans to see. It won't get fatigued when looking through thousands of records and stays consistent.
- the_sleaze_ 2y agoAlmost zero chance this technology doesn't break HIPAA law somehow. > our data is stored securely and encrypted on servers under Legalyze.ai's control. If you found out a law firm is sending your medical records to a third party without any prior BAA or consent....
- alwa 2y agoThen again if it's your law firm, the one who's representing you; and doing so lets them build your case at half the cost in research hours... or lets them figure out whether they can take your case where it might not have been worth their time to see before? I don't know much about how these things work, but I could see where people I know might consent to such a thing.
- agieocean 2y agoAnd HIPAA law actually matters so I don't think this would fly under the radar
- marcinzm 2y agoEven if it was covered it will definitely fly under the radar for the next four years at least.
- tiahura 2y agoOnly “covered entities” and their “business associates” fall under HIPPA. Most firms don’t meet the definition.
- chrisford 2y agoThis is correct. Also, when a law firm client goes under contract with a firm, they often sign HIPAA-compliant medical-release documentation. Some software providers in the AI medical space are conservative here and have customers sign a BAA directly on signup.
- ttyprintk 2y agoToday, both sides already have some level of access to medical records; could be a judge’s decision. And when it comes to medical records for people unrelated to the lawsuit, using de-identified cases is not a violation of HIPAA. The question is: can we use AI on those full cases and de-identify afterward? Is using AI on de-identified cases allowed (because the de-identification process can mess with chronology)?
- alwa 2y agoI guess the profit is where the hazards lie! Skimming your landing page, it sounds like you're making meaningful efforts to compensate for the aspects of LLM that horrify us around here: sounds like you're primarily providing direct references to the "needles" in the case record haystack, rather than synthesized "insights"; serving the legal professionals themselves with a specific mundane research task of theirs rather than playing lawyer for consumers or purporting to produce polished results. Better you than me, but the very best of luck to you, and congratulations on your launch.
- chrisford 2y agoYes, we are not using the dreaded RAG to accomplish this task, although we do have it available if a customer wants to chat with their case documents.
- ttyprintk 2y agoI get why you’d want to distinguish yourself from competition that relies heavily on RAG, but “chatting” is putting it mildly. I’d use RAG with prompts like “what was billed but did not produce a record”. Or rehydrating the context of, for example, the hospital’s own model for predicted drug interactions. I could see it being lucrative if that model produced those results without traceability.
- evergreen_usa 2y agoIs this the same as https://olive.legal/ https://olive.legal/ ?
- chrisford 2y agoSimilar markets, yes.
- toasteros 2y agoGood lord. Two areas we really do not want AI in its current form touching somehow put together in one convenient little package.
- chrisford 2y agoIt's a productivity AI agent meant for workers who were already dealing with medical records and creating medical chronologies manually, primarily in the legal space.
- Cheer2171 2y agoNope.
- chrisford 2y agoWhy?
- _DeadFred_ 2y agoI remember working in the operating room space. I noticed some sites had cameras built into their lights. I asked if they wanted to be able to capture images timestamped to entries in the case record. Everyone was adamant they did not want that as it would open them up to too much subjective liability. We have a hard time capturing enough information to be useful and understand things. I didn't realize before now but AI is going to make that much much worse. In aerospace we had yearly training from out insurance company lawyers on how to record information into our systems, format emails, etc. It was interesting getting to interface with high power Lloyds lawyers but also surreal/kinda wrong. You probably mean well. Something something road something something good intentions. Meta (not the company) AI product idea from this. AI to skim your reports and make sure there is nothing that a 'legal AI' could reconstruct into a lawsuit narrative. It scans all medical records before saving and recommends verbiage adjustments. (You're welcome dev at Oracle reading this needing to respond to an 'Larry needs medical software value propositions for AI' email). Begun the AI wars have. Why stop there with my above examples. Siemens needs a legal AI for PLM at the least as manufacturing engineer defect notes could definitely be interpreted in legally sketchy ways so should be auto scanned/rejected/massaged. On weird note on one part that went through MRB/NCR that ended up in a crashed plane could be trouble.
- getwiththeprog 2y agoAnd the companies that can afford to hire experienced humans keeps winning law-suits. Until the judiciary is automated.
- ttyprintk 2y agoThese cases often bring in medical records experts when one side disputes the scope or completeness of their access. That’s where I’d expect AI to debut.
- chrisford 2y agoThanks for your comment! Medical chronologies are already very common across personal injury law and other legal practice types. The problem is that paralegals are spending days, if not weeks, combing through thousands of medical records and entering them into an Excel spreadsheet. This automates most of that task.
- tiahura 2y agoWhat can this do that a quality prompt w/ ChatGPT or Claude can’t do?
- chrisford 2y agoChatGPT or Claude can't review thousands of medical records at once.
- doctorpangloss 2y agoHa ha, the problem is that perps have no insurance, and victims are driving around with 30k/15k caps, not too much documentation.