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Book industry or just the publishers? Show me a single author who loves publishers

frereubu 2y ago
It does rather feel like the shoe is on the other foot now. Go back a few decades and publishers were the ones rinsing bookshops for all they were worth. Two wrongs don't make a right of course...
- globular-toast 2y ago
  The real lesson is if you let a person or organisation get into a position where they can squeeze, they will squeeze. They won't even be doing it because they are "evil" because the hedonic treadmill makes everyone feel entitled to more. The problem is systemic. We know our failures but don't do anything about it.
- andybak 2y ago
  This could be summarised as "companies leverage their power" which is unsurprising. If you were to list occasions where entities acted intentionally against their best interests then that would be more noteworthy!
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    There's nuance to this. A company can achieve power by giving customers a better experience and in that way insert itself between customer and the industry. Thus wielding power in the interest of the customer. A company can also achieve power by giving producers a better experience and insert themselves between producer and industry.
    - andybak 2y ago
      I think my point is that in the majority of cases companies will do both. i.e. (when run "effectively") they will use all available levers. If they fail to, it will usually be an oversight than a deliberate strategy. Of course - some companies push harder, overstep more bounds and neglect the possible negative 2nd order effects more. But assuming there's an obvious lever that says "make more money legally" - the vast number of companies will reach for it.
  - BobaFloutist 2y ago
    Is it in Amazon's interest to destroy the publishing industry? Is it in publisher's interest for writing books to not be a viable career?
KwanEsq 2y ago
Don't worry, Amazon screws authors directly too when they self-publish, by using the cudgel of Kindle Unlimited to choke possible competition in ebook sales. https://bsky.app/profile/glynnstewart.com/post/3leu7lzvy622g https://bsky.app/profile/glynnstewart.com/post/3leu7lzvy622g
- dageshi 2y ago
  KU is amazing. There's entire genres like litrpg, progression fantasy and cozy fantasy that likely would either not exist or be a fraction of their current size without it. And authors can make a living, there's plenty in those genres (not to mention romance) who via a combination of patreon + KU + Audible are doing just fine. I too wish there was someone who could compete with amazon, but the thing is nobody seems to actually even try? I feel like the entire book industry would be quite happy if things had remained stuck in time circa 1990, on their own they would never have invented something like KU.
  - mcphage 2y ago
    > I too wish there was someone who could compete with amazon, the thing is nobody seems to actually even try? Apple was starting to compete, got sued by the US government for it, and decided they didn’t need to bother.
    - goosedragons 2y ago
      I mean, they did it illegally. Their fault for doing it that way. Kobo is competing with Amazon pretty well. US market is heavily skewed in Amazon's favor though.
      - BobaFloutist 2y ago
        Sure doesn't help that unless you go out of your way to buy a third-party device, there's platform lock-in, which was never an issue with physical publishing.

It does rather feel like the shoe is on the other foot now. Go back a few decades and publishers were the ones rinsing bookshops for all they were worth. Two wrongs don't make a right of course...

globular-toast 2y ago
The real lesson is if you let a person or organisation get into a position where they can squeeze, they will squeeze. They won't even be doing it because they are "evil" because the hedonic treadmill makes everyone feel entitled to more. The problem is systemic. We know our failures but don't do anything about it.
andybak 2y ago
This could be summarised as "companies leverage their power" which is unsurprising. If you were to list occasions where entities acted intentionally against their best interests then that would be more noteworthy!
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  There's nuance to this. A company can achieve power by giving customers a better experience and in that way insert itself between customer and the industry. Thus wielding power in the interest of the customer. A company can also achieve power by giving producers a better experience and insert themselves between producer and industry.
  - andybak 2y ago
    I think my point is that in the majority of cases companies will do both. i.e. (when run "effectively") they will use all available levers. If they fail to, it will usually be an oversight than a deliberate strategy. Of course - some companies push harder, overstep more bounds and neglect the possible negative 2nd order effects more. But assuming there's an obvious lever that says "make more money legally" - the vast number of companies will reach for it.
- BobaFloutist 2y ago
  Is it in Amazon's interest to destroy the publishing industry? Is it in publisher's interest for writing books to not be a viable career?

KwanEsq 2y ago

Don't worry, Amazon screws authors directly too when they self-publish, by using the cudgel of Kindle Unlimited to choke possible competition in ebook sales. https://bsky.app/profile/glynnstewart.com/post/3leu7lzvy622g https://bsky.app/profile/glynnstewart.com/post/3leu7lzvy622g

dageshi 2y ago
KU is amazing. There's entire genres like litrpg, progression fantasy and cozy fantasy that likely would either not exist or be a fraction of their current size without it. And authors can make a living, there's plenty in those genres (not to mention romance) who via a combination of patreon + KU + Audible are doing just fine. I too wish there was someone who could compete with amazon, but the thing is nobody seems to actually even try? I feel like the entire book industry would be quite happy if things had remained stuck in time circa 1990, on their own they would never have invented something like KU.
- mcphage 2y ago
  > I too wish there was someone who could compete with amazon, the thing is nobody seems to actually even try? Apple was starting to compete, got sued by the US government for it, and decided they didn’t need to bother.
  - goosedragons 2y ago
    I mean, they did it illegally. Their fault for doing it that way. Kobo is competing with Amazon pretty well. US market is heavily skewed in Amazon's favor though.
    - BobaFloutist 2y ago
      Sure doesn't help that unless you go out of your way to buy a third-party device, there's platform lock-in, which was never an issue with physical publishing.