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This is problematic.

kzrdude 2y ago
I mean, it changes nothing on one hand, but it also crosses another line. From a European perspective (my perspective), this has burned all his credibility in Europe outside of fringe groups, there is no ambiguity.
_DeadFred_ 2y ago
Not fair. His autism made him do it. Don't you know, Autism is like Tourettes but for Nazi salutes instead of ticks/swearing?
- artistic_regard 2y ago
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- computerthings 2y ago
  You may jest, but https://x.com/bungarsargon/status/1881439445523775961 https://x.com/bungarsargon/status/1881439445523775961 > As a person with a strong track record of criticizing Elon Musk, I feel extremely confident asserting that this was not a Nazi salute. Elon Musk is a friend to the Jews. This is a man with Aspergers exuberantly throwing his heart to the crowd. We don't need to invent outrage. "Opinion editor of Newsweek", 150k followers.
  - ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago
    The hypocrisy of this social shaming shit is ridiculous. Respect my neurodivergence! Fuck your woke mind virus infected existence!
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    He braces himself, makes an aggressive facial expression and stiffens his arm (not a thank you loving face), his palm facing down, elbow stiff, fingers locked together (not how one throws their heart), does it a second time, then comments that 'the future of civilization is assured'. Go Google images and look from multiple angles. Of BOTH salutes. Try not to puke at the smiles/cheers in the crowd. Subtle Elon used the Fraktur font on his MAGA hat. Elon supports the AFD. Elon intentionally does a Nazi salute twice. Elon likes/responds possitively to Nazi's and white supremacists on X. Elon talks about 'declining birth rates and immigration policies' as closely as he can get away with to 'race replacement theory'. Somehow we are just misunderstanding him. Nah bro. Stop. At some point we have to stop err'ing on the side of 'he's just an accidental unintentional Nazi'. Guess what, still a Nazi. I'm supposed to give this guy good faith: https://nypost.com/2024/03/06/us-news/elon-musk-wont-donate-to-either-trump-or-biden-in-2024-election/ https://nypost.com/2024/03/06/us-news/elon-musk-wont-donate-...
    - Freedom2 2y ago
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      - dang 2y ago
        pg doesn't own HN and is not "obviously a fan" of Elon. Where do you guys get this stuff? I seem to recall they even had a spat on Twitter the other day, which was highly out of character for one of them. You don't have to "be a fan of pg" in order to post on HN. That should be clear from any thread that mentions him.
        kitsune_ 2y ago
        You are not allowing a broader discussion on this by having it flagged. I asked you how a discussion on ethics and symbolism doesn't fall under "intellectual curiosity" in a other reply. It's difficult to not come to the conclusion that you support Elon Musk and approve of his behavior. Calling it "celebrity trolling" is the cherry on top. On Elon Musk: - By most measures one of the richest and most influential persons in the world - Owner of X - OG member of the PayPal mafia - Spent millions on Trump's election - Official member of the new administration - Makes two (not one) Nazi salutes on public television But no, discussing what this means or implies does not satisfy one's intellectual curiosity.
        dang 2y ago
        It always feels like the mods are against you and secretly on the side you don't like. The other side feels the same way when we make a call in your direction. This is a well-established pattern. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22always%20feels%22%20mods%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... In this case the call is clear because the inputs to the discussion are provocative, inflammatory, and intense; and there's almost no information. Discussion will break down along partisan lines. Nobody will come to any new conclusion or persuade anyone. They'll just say things they would have said before, only more strongly. That's the kind of dynamic we hope to avoid on HN.
  - dingosity 2y ago
    So the smartest guy in the world doesn't know that flashing a Nazi salute is bad? Also, he's not an aspy. I worked with him. He's an Asshat.
- Foobar8568 2y ago
  I swear Doctor Strangelove was his biopic.

I mean, it changes nothing on one hand, but it also crosses another line. From a European perspective (my perspective), this has burned all his credibility in Europe outside of fringe groups, there is no ambiguity.

_DeadFred_ 2y ago

Not fair. His autism made him do it. Don't you know, Autism is like Tourettes but for Nazi salutes instead of ticks/swearing?

artistic_regard 2y ago
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computerthings 2y ago
You may jest, but https://x.com/bungarsargon/status/1881439445523775961 https://x.com/bungarsargon/status/1881439445523775961 > As a person with a strong track record of criticizing Elon Musk, I feel extremely confident asserting that this was not a Nazi salute. Elon Musk is a friend to the Jews. This is a man with Aspergers exuberantly throwing his heart to the crowd. We don't need to invent outrage. "Opinion editor of Newsweek", 150k followers.
- ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago
  The hypocrisy of this social shaming shit is ridiculous. Respect my neurodivergence! Fuck your woke mind virus infected existence!
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  He braces himself, makes an aggressive facial expression and stiffens his arm (not a thank you loving face), his palm facing down, elbow stiff, fingers locked together (not how one throws their heart), does it a second time, then comments that 'the future of civilization is assured'. Go Google images and look from multiple angles. Of BOTH salutes. Try not to puke at the smiles/cheers in the crowd. Subtle Elon used the Fraktur font on his MAGA hat. Elon supports the AFD. Elon intentionally does a Nazi salute twice. Elon likes/responds possitively to Nazi's and white supremacists on X. Elon talks about 'declining birth rates and immigration policies' as closely as he can get away with to 'race replacement theory'. Somehow we are just misunderstanding him. Nah bro. Stop. At some point we have to stop err'ing on the side of 'he's just an accidental unintentional Nazi'. Guess what, still a Nazi. I'm supposed to give this guy good faith: https://nypost.com/2024/03/06/us-news/elon-musk-wont-donate-to-either-trump-or-biden-in-2024-election/ https://nypost.com/2024/03/06/us-news/elon-musk-wont-donate-...
  - Freedom2 2y ago
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    - dang 2y ago
      pg doesn't own HN and is not "obviously a fan" of Elon. Where do you guys get this stuff? I seem to recall they even had a spat on Twitter the other day, which was highly out of character for one of them. You don't have to "be a fan of pg" in order to post on HN. That should be clear from any thread that mentions him.
      - kitsune_ 2y ago
        You are not allowing a broader discussion on this by having it flagged. I asked you how a discussion on ethics and symbolism doesn't fall under "intellectual curiosity" in a other reply. It's difficult to not come to the conclusion that you support Elon Musk and approve of his behavior. Calling it "celebrity trolling" is the cherry on top. On Elon Musk: - By most measures one of the richest and most influential persons in the world - Owner of X - OG member of the PayPal mafia - Spent millions on Trump's election - Official member of the new administration - Makes two (not one) Nazi salutes on public television But no, discussing what this means or implies does not satisfy one's intellectual curiosity.
        dang 2y ago
        It always feels like the mods are against you and secretly on the side you don't like. The other side feels the same way when we make a call in your direction. This is a well-established pattern. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22always%20feels%22%20mods%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... In this case the call is clear because the inputs to the discussion are provocative, inflammatory, and intense; and there's almost no information. Discussion will break down along partisan lines. Nobody will come to any new conclusion or persuade anyone. They'll just say things they would have said before, only more strongly. That's the kind of dynamic we hope to avoid on HN.
- dingosity 2y ago
  So the smartest guy in the world doesn't know that flashing a Nazi salute is bad? Also, he's not an aspy. I worked with him. He's an Asshat.
Foobar8568 2y ago
I swear Doctor Strangelove was his biopic.