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> But if the person in front of you has done or advocated for things that cause harm or is themself a horrible person then I disagree. the current conflict in
by hnthrowaway6543 2y ago
> But if the person in front of you has done or advocated for things that cause harm or is themself a horrible person then I disagree.
the current conflict in the middle east shows why this doesn't work in the long run.
despite what a generation that grew up consuming Marvel films was led to believe, not every conflict is a clearly defined superhero-vs-supervillain, good-vs-evil affair. eventually, you will be the one who, according to some, is advocating for things that cause harm and is considered a horrible person.
- gedpeck 2y agoMost definitely. Each person decides for themselves where the lines are drawn.
- beardedwizard 2y agoVery underrated comment. Right and wrong are largely a function of culture, not universal law.
- gopher_space 2y ago> Right and wrong are largely a function of culture, not universal law. Sure, but then you're handwaving away questions about why cultures align along similar axioms.
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- gedpeck 2y agoaccording to gedpeck, nearly everyone in Africa and Asia, and every single practicing Muslim, is a horrible person... I said no such thing.
- hnthrowaway6543 2y ago[flagged]
- gedpeck 2y agoCare to point out where I said this or implied this? I’m opposed to gay marriage. EDIT: I’m not really opposed to gay marriage. But I never said anything about my views on gay marriage or anything inconsistent with the view that gay marriage is wrong. EDIT: I don’t consider people who oppose gay marriage to be bad people. I consider people who support and vote for a known felon, rapist, theif, and bribe taker to be terrible.
- mantas 2y agoDo they? Different cultures have widely different axioms. E.g. compare Islam and Christianity. Not to begin with cultures far away geographically from each other.
- sbarre 2y agoI dunno man.. When someone advocates for treating another person as "not human" or wants to deny them basic human rights, that's universally wrong in my book.
- yread 2y agodehumanization of the other side is one of the most used tools of war propaganda of all sides. Just look at people in the west joking about orcs
- gedpeck 2y agoBut if someone acts inhuman then it’s justified. Russia’s war crimes are well documented and they started the war. When you are the baddies then expect to be called so.
- yread 2y agoWait are we still in the thread discussing that it's childish to call one side baddies?
- gedpeck 2y agoIt’s not childish to call bad people bad.
- foxglacier 2y agoYou're still in the goodies-vs-baddies mindset. Western media pushes people into that way of thinking but it's the Marvel level view and is wrong. Also, look at all the people who think Russia is the baddies for starting that war, but Israel is the baddies despite not starting its war. That's an arbitrary standard people invented to justify their simply goodie-baddie view. If you apply a different standard to every war, then it's not really a standard, is it?
- gedpeck 2y ago
- jrflowers 2y agoIt only “doesn’t work” if your goal is to appear morally impeccable to everyone. If instead of this worrying you > you will be the one who, according to some, is advocating for things that cause harm and is considered a horrible person. you have a set of morals that centers something more or different than theoretical other people’s opinions, your example of the current “conflict in the Middle East” is still a good example just not for the reason you stated. It is a perfectly valid ethical position to think that genocide is bad and that people that advocate for genocide are also bad. To pivot to “actually the Really Bad Thing would be if you said that and someone somewhere disagreed with you” is weird and hollow. “The truly wise know that everything is morally equivalent, except for the pursuit of unbounded approval which is Good for some reason, and believing otherwise is the same thing as getting your morals from comic book movies” isn’t a coherent or defensible moral position. The Marvel movie comparison is a thought terminating cliche.
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- dang 2y agoCould you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait, and being aggressive with other users? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. We've already had to ask you this several times. If you keep doing it, we're going to end up having to ban the account. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.