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Haha fair. But I don't think any company should be strong-armed by another nation into selling. Meta would never be allowed to sell their "Chinese arm" to a dom

Haha fair. But I don't think any company should be strong-armed by another nation into selling. Meta would never be allowed to sell their "Chinese arm" to a domestic Chinese entity...part of the reason there isn't one

wavefunction 2y ago
The Chinese don't really use facebook in the first place do they though? And facebook's utility to China is the same as TikTok's, just less direct: manipulating Americans and other non-Chinese users of Facebook. It seems like people want to be manipulated though.
- mantas 2y ago
  Some people just hate their own government so much, they think any other government would be better. Including the known bad guys of the era. Usually this does not work out that well. Point in case - Central Europe after WWII. Chinese astroturfing is a thing too, but in many cases it is legit naive people.
  - wavefunction 2y ago
    i don't understand your point if there is one
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    "Some people just hate their own government so much, they think any other government would be better. Including the known bad guys of the era." Yep. I call it "Chomskyism"
bryananderson 2y ago
What about the principle of reciprocity? China doesn’t allow US social media companies to operate there—why should the US unilaterally allow Chinese social media companies to operate here with no reciprocity? Continuing to play cooperate over and over when the other player keeps playing defect is not smart.
- pydry 2y ago
  Does China have a first amendment restricting the abrdigment of all press and ? Was there are special carve out in the American first amendment for issues of reciprocity or for foreign media? No. My biggest fear isnt China or Russia (like Im told it should be) but becoming like China and Russia. It's happening faster every day. When the first and the fourth amendments are shredded then Putin and Xi Jinping get to say, with increasing truthfulness, "America is no better than us".
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    The 1st Amendment does not apply to Chinese companies operating in the US. And even if it did it isn't a suicide pact that forces the US to do very stupid things like let the CCP use TikTok to manipulate US citizens to the benefit of the CCP and detriment of the US.
    - whatshisface 2y ago
      The first amendment applies to US citizens using TikTok to communicate.
      - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
        The first amendment applies to the communication of US citizens. If TikTok is found to be unlawful for non-free speech reasons and its distribution is outlawed, 1) Americans can still use it for communication and 2) Americans can use any number of other things for communication.
    - naravara 2y ago
      It wasn’t even the manipulation that was the NatSec concern, it was the amount of sensitive data they were pulling of not just TikTok users but any friends or family of theirs that they had in their contacts. This means they have data on people who work in sensitive departments, military bases, etc. and they had already been established as providing that data up to the Chinese Government. It’s the same reason India banned it, it was being used as an espionage tool. Now the other problem is that Meta will sell much of the same data to anyone who is buying. We need to do something about surveillance capitalism from private industry too.
przemelek 2y ago
You know that there is no Facebook in China? The same for Instagram, Twitter and YouTube. Even Google Search is not available in China. And not because those companies didn't want to work in China, simply China forbade them to do it. Funny thing, even TikTok in China is blocked... Chinese audience have Douyin from ByteDance. So it isn't like this that "bad US is doing something to poor Chinese company"
- elfbargpt 2y ago
  There is no Facebook in China for the same reason there will be no TikTok in the United States. Both Meta and ByteDance won't let another country run their business. Facebook was given the chance to operate in China if they complied with China's rules
aikinai 2y ago
The “Chinese arm” of ARM wasn’t even sold; it just went renegade and stole everything from the parent.
- paulg2222 2y ago
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hiccuphippo 2y ago
I think Activision Blizzard did.

wavefunction 2y ago

The Chinese don't really use facebook in the first place do they though? And facebook's utility to China is the same as TikTok's, just less direct: manipulating Americans and other non-Chinese users of Facebook. It seems like people want to be manipulated though.

mantas 2y ago
Some people just hate their own government so much, they think any other government would be better. Including the known bad guys of the era. Usually this does not work out that well. Point in case - Central Europe after WWII. Chinese astroturfing is a thing too, but in many cases it is legit naive people.
- wavefunction 2y ago
  i don't understand your point if there is one
- UltraSane 2y ago
  "Some people just hate their own government so much, they think any other government would be better. Including the known bad guys of the era." Yep. I call it "Chomskyism"

bryananderson 2y ago

What about the principle of reciprocity? China doesn’t allow US social media companies to operate there—why should the US unilaterally allow Chinese social media companies to operate here with no reciprocity? Continuing to play cooperate over and over when the other player keeps playing defect is not smart.

pydry 2y ago
Does China have a first amendment restricting the abrdigment of all press and ? Was there are special carve out in the American first amendment for issues of reciprocity or for foreign media? No. My biggest fear isnt China or Russia (like Im told it should be) but becoming like China and Russia. It's happening faster every day. When the first and the fourth amendments are shredded then Putin and Xi Jinping get to say, with increasing truthfulness, "America is no better than us".
- UltraSane 2y ago
  The 1st Amendment does not apply to Chinese companies operating in the US. And even if it did it isn't a suicide pact that forces the US to do very stupid things like let the CCP use TikTok to manipulate US citizens to the benefit of the CCP and detriment of the US.
  - whatshisface 2y ago
    The first amendment applies to US citizens using TikTok to communicate.
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
      The first amendment applies to the communication of US citizens. If TikTok is found to be unlawful for non-free speech reasons and its distribution is outlawed, 1) Americans can still use it for communication and 2) Americans can use any number of other things for communication.
  - naravara 2y ago
    It wasn’t even the manipulation that was the NatSec concern, it was the amount of sensitive data they were pulling of not just TikTok users but any friends or family of theirs that they had in their contacts. This means they have data on people who work in sensitive departments, military bases, etc. and they had already been established as providing that data up to the Chinese Government. It’s the same reason India banned it, it was being used as an espionage tool. Now the other problem is that Meta will sell much of the same data to anyone who is buying. We need to do something about surveillance capitalism from private industry too.

przemelek 2y ago

You know that there is no Facebook in China? The same for Instagram, Twitter and YouTube. Even Google Search is not available in China. And not because those companies didn't want to work in China, simply China forbade them to do it. Funny thing, even TikTok in China is blocked... Chinese audience have Douyin from ByteDance. So it isn't like this that "bad US is doing something to poor Chinese company"

elfbargpt 2y ago
There is no Facebook in China for the same reason there will be no TikTok in the United States. Both Meta and ByteDance won't let another country run their business. Facebook was given the chance to operate in China if they complied with China's rules

aikinai 2y ago

The “Chinese arm” of ARM wasn’t even sold; it just went renegade and stole everything from the parent.

paulg2222 2y ago
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hiccuphippo 2y ago

I think Activision Blizzard did.