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There are much bigger factors at play than a few billion dollars
by elfbargpt 2y ago
There are much bigger factors at play than a few billion dollars
- amatecha 2y agoWord, I imagine there are all kinds of shenanigans at play, I'm just not spending that much effort thinking about it. We'll never know the complete story on any of this stuff. Maybe in tens of years, if ever.
- gitaarik 2y agoYou mean more money? Because in the end it's always about money. Well about power really, but money is the main means to get that.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoDefinitely power... bought by billionaires. A few government officials outright said they want to be able to control the narrative.
- bryanrasmussen 2y agoprobably not for the guy who gets the few billion dollars.
- elfbargpt 2y agoHaha fair. But I don't think any company should be strong-armed by another nation into selling. Meta would never be allowed to sell their "Chinese arm" to a domestic Chinese entity...part of the reason there isn't one
- wavefunction 2y agoThe Chinese don't really use facebook in the first place do they though? And facebook's utility to China is the same as TikTok's, just less direct: manipulating Americans and other non-Chinese users of Facebook. It seems like people want to be manipulated though.
- mantas 2y agoSome people just hate their own government so much, they think any other government would be better. Including the known bad guys of the era. Usually this does not work out that well. Point in case - Central Europe after WWII. Chinese astroturfing is a thing too, but in many cases it is legit naive people.
- wavefunction 2y agoi don't understand your point if there is one
- UltraSane 2y ago"Some people just hate their own government so much, they think any other government would be better. Including the known bad guys of the era." Yep. I call it "Chomskyism"
- bryananderson 2y agoWhat about the principle of reciprocity? China doesn’t allow US social media companies to operate there—why should the US unilaterally allow Chinese social media companies to operate here with no reciprocity? Continuing to play cooperate over and over when the other player keeps playing defect is not smart.
- pydry 2y agoDoes China have a first amendment restricting the abrdigment of all press and ? Was there are special carve out in the American first amendment for issues of reciprocity or for foreign media? No. My biggest fear isnt China or Russia (like Im told it should be) but becoming like China and Russia. It's happening faster every day. When the first and the fourth amendments are shredded then Putin and Xi Jinping get to say, with increasing truthfulness, "America is no better than us".
- UltraSane 2y agoThe 1st Amendment does not apply to Chinese companies operating in the US. And even if it did it isn't a suicide pact that forces the US to do very stupid things like let the CCP use TikTok to manipulate US citizens to the benefit of the CCP and detriment of the US.
- whatshisface 2y agoThe first amendment applies to US citizens using TikTok to communicate.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y agoThe first amendment applies to the communication of US citizens. If TikTok is found to be unlawful for non-free speech reasons and its distribution is outlawed, 1) Americans can still use it for communication and 2) Americans can use any number of other things for communication.
- naravara 2y ago
- przemelek 2y agoYou know that there is no Facebook in China? The same for Instagram, Twitter and YouTube. Even Google Search is not available in China. And not because those companies didn't want to work in China, simply China forbade them to do it. Funny thing, even TikTok in China is blocked... Chinese audience have Douyin from ByteDance. So it isn't like this that "bad US is doing something to poor Chinese company"
- elfbargpt 2y agoThere is no Facebook in China for the same reason there will be no TikTok in the United States. Both Meta and ByteDance won't let another country run their business. Facebook was given the chance to operate in China if they complied with China's rules
- aikinai 2y agoThe “Chinese arm” of ARM wasn’t even sold; it just went renegade and stole everything from the parent.
- paulg2222 2y ago[dead]
- hiccuphippo 2y agoI think Activision Blizzard did.
- cyanydeez 2y agoYes, but really, not much more than what a cult leader will demand for access.
- japanification 2y agoThis message about Trump saving TikTok is just wishful thinking from TikTok. 1.) It's pointless, TikTok is officially banned in US. Even if trump decides to find a US buyer for it, it will go under strict ownership investigation. So there's no way Chinese government has any influence anymore. 2.) This means that any future Chinese apps that get popular will get banned, and no need to go through any court challenges since there's precedent and law 3.) A lot of people already left TikTok and will not come back - why would they when they know the app could be gone at any minute? The traffic from the original TikTok will just keep getting split and syphoned, until the magnificent seven claims most of it
- _heimdall 2y agoThat was my first thought as well, but do you have any reason to say it's wishful thinking rather than the result of a conversation with Trump's team?
- zdw 2y agoI read the message as more as being an ego stroke to someone that everyone else is ego stroking right now - seeing as Trump has a lot of influence over people further down in his party's org chart, there might be enough reason. Trying to argue about legality is unlikely to hold much sway given how other legal issues ended.
- ajmurmann 2y agoI think 3 is a weak point. I've left multiple social media platforms several times and got sucked back in days or months later. That was when I was actively trying to not use them. Edit: I think all it needs is a link from a friend to some TikTok content and they are back in.