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Can you point to me where I said that? My posts have been to the effect of "hey little companies, if you're open to being waved to by big companies then let me

Can you point to me where I said that? My posts have been to the effect of "hey little companies, if you're open to being waved to by big companies then let me know before I buy into your company's offerings."

tptacek 14y ago
Here is a clue for you. When a startup offers you its products for $9.99 or $2.99, they are open to be bought by big companies. There. Now you don't have to ask them to disclose things anymore.
- justauser 14y ago
  What's the difference between $9.99 and $99.99(or feel free to shift the decimal depending upon whatever economic demesne you fall under)? Several of the leading karma members here regularly chime in about raising prices. If small company A makes the absolute best widget X for market Y with market Y x2 prices that it is well-received but the revenue did not match expectations and they end up being acquired by a large company or investor then how is this any different? I never would have guessed Fisker cars would have trouble.
- infinite8s 14y ago
  How about - when a company sells you something for $, they are open to be bought by a bigger company (or possibly a smaller company with debt)
  - davidandgoliath 14y ago
    How about: everyone has a price. Sparrow obviously got their price and as a result sold out :) Kudos to them, as much as it pains the rest of us in the interim we'll get over it. Back to thunderbird! :)
- shinratdr 14y ago
  That is ridiculous. Plenty of apps have existed for decades on those prices. Small, dedicated devs are the lifeblood of OS X and iOS contrary to what those who don't use the platforms believe. I have had no reason to expect this to be the norm in the past and I have no reason to expect it now. You don't just get to abandon your users without repercussions, as easy as that would make things for you. You can comfort yourself with whatever free market BS makes you feel better, you still screwed over the userbase that gave you prominence.
  - jarek 14y ago
    > Plenty of apps have existed for decades on those prices. Most of these weren't funded by VCs expecting some sort of liquidity event to get return on their investment.
    - shinratdr 14y ago
      Fair enough but it's not like it was some once-in-a-lifetime buyout, it was $25 million and it was for talent not the app. Did the VCs really make that much off this sale?
      - jarek 14y ago
        $5 million in the hand is better than $10 Mac App Store sales in the cloud, apparently
  - tptacek 14y ago
    You don't? You don't get to abandon your users? Not without repercussions? What repercussions would those be, angry anonymous message board guy? Are you never ever nerver nenver neva-neva-nen going to hire them or buy their products again? "Free market BS". Because I think a $9.99 mail client sale doesn't make a developer your indentured servant. I think they'll be fine.
    - shinratdr 14y ago
      > You don't? You don't get to abandon your users? Not without repercussions? No, you don't. Was there any purpose to asking that three times besides to emphasize that it should be read in the most condescending way possible? > What repercussions would those be, angry anonymous message board guy? My name is Ross Woodruff, I live in Toronto, Ontario. I use my shinratdr name everywhere. I don't try to be anonymous, I'm not, and I don't see what that has to do with anything. > Are you never ever nerver nenver neva-neva-nen going to hire them or buy their products again? Basically. You can characterize me as a stubborn child all you want (really solid argument tactic there BTW), I think abandoning users is a crappy thing to do. I also don't think I'm the only one who supported them with this opinion. > Because I think a $9.99 mail client sale doesn't make a developer your indentured servant. No because it has no bearing in reality. Your users don't care and aren't going to be understanding that you abandoned them. The theories you espouse are just things devs can tell themselves to make themselves feel better about doing what is, in essence, a really crappy thing to their users. They don't change the reality. Likewise, users being mad at you doesn't equal indentured servitude. The only thing that defines indentured servitude is your ability to leave. They left. Is anyone demanding they return and continue the app? No. We're just making it known we support devs that support us. > I think they'll be fine. So long as they stay in the corporate world from now on. Should they switch back to a startup, plenty of users will hear "from the Sparrow team" in the future and avoid the product because they can't trust it will be available & useful for them in them when they need it. They sold out their reputation in the iOS & OS X software world for jobs at Google. I hope that you're right and it was worth it. From what we've seen in the past, that won't be the case. Most startup types abandon those jobs within a couple years and are back to independent development right away. They might not find the user community so welcoming the second time around.

tptacek 14y ago

Here is a clue for you. When a startup offers you its products for $9.99 or $2.99, they are open to be bought by big companies. There. Now you don't have to ask them to disclose things anymore.

justauser 14y ago
What's the difference between $9.99 and $99.99(or feel free to shift the decimal depending upon whatever economic demesne you fall under)? Several of the leading karma members here regularly chime in about raising prices. If small company A makes the absolute best widget X for market Y with market Y x2 prices that it is well-received but the revenue did not match expectations and they end up being acquired by a large company or investor then how is this any different? I never would have guessed Fisker cars would have trouble.
infinite8s 14y ago
How about - when a company sells you something for $, they are open to be bought by a bigger company (or possibly a smaller company with debt)
- davidandgoliath 14y ago
  How about: everyone has a price. Sparrow obviously got their price and as a result sold out :) Kudos to them, as much as it pains the rest of us in the interim we'll get over it. Back to thunderbird! :)
shinratdr 14y ago
That is ridiculous. Plenty of apps have existed for decades on those prices. Small, dedicated devs are the lifeblood of OS X and iOS contrary to what those who don't use the platforms believe. I have had no reason to expect this to be the norm in the past and I have no reason to expect it now. You don't just get to abandon your users without repercussions, as easy as that would make things for you. You can comfort yourself with whatever free market BS makes you feel better, you still screwed over the userbase that gave you prominence.
- jarek 14y ago
  > Plenty of apps have existed for decades on those prices. Most of these weren't funded by VCs expecting some sort of liquidity event to get return on their investment.
  - shinratdr 14y ago
    Fair enough but it's not like it was some once-in-a-lifetime buyout, it was $25 million and it was for talent not the app. Did the VCs really make that much off this sale?
    - jarek 14y ago
      $5 million in the hand is better than $10 Mac App Store sales in the cloud, apparently
- tptacek 14y ago
  You don't? You don't get to abandon your users? Not without repercussions? What repercussions would those be, angry anonymous message board guy? Are you never ever nerver nenver neva-neva-nen going to hire them or buy their products again? "Free market BS". Because I think a $9.99 mail client sale doesn't make a developer your indentured servant. I think they'll be fine.
  - shinratdr 14y ago
    > You don't? You don't get to abandon your users? Not without repercussions? No, you don't. Was there any purpose to asking that three times besides to emphasize that it should be read in the most condescending way possible? > What repercussions would those be, angry anonymous message board guy? My name is Ross Woodruff, I live in Toronto, Ontario. I use my shinratdr name everywhere. I don't try to be anonymous, I'm not, and I don't see what that has to do with anything. > Are you never ever nerver nenver neva-neva-nen going to hire them or buy their products again? Basically. You can characterize me as a stubborn child all you want (really solid argument tactic there BTW), I think abandoning users is a crappy thing to do. I also don't think I'm the only one who supported them with this opinion. > Because I think a $9.99 mail client sale doesn't make a developer your indentured servant. No because it has no bearing in reality. Your users don't care and aren't going to be understanding that you abandoned them. The theories you espouse are just things devs can tell themselves to make themselves feel better about doing what is, in essence, a really crappy thing to their users. They don't change the reality. Likewise, users being mad at you doesn't equal indentured servitude. The only thing that defines indentured servitude is your ability to leave. They left. Is anyone demanding they return and continue the app? No. We're just making it known we support devs that support us. > I think they'll be fine. So long as they stay in the corporate world from now on. Should they switch back to a startup, plenty of users will hear "from the Sparrow team" in the future and avoid the product because they can't trust it will be available & useful for them in them when they need it. They sold out their reputation in the iOS & OS X software world for jobs at Google. I hope that you're right and it was worth it. From what we've seen in the past, that won't be the case. Most startup types abandon those jobs within a couple years and are back to independent development right away. They might not find the user community so welcoming the second time around.