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The nice thing about being a massive market like the US is that you can impose regulations that producers in other countries need to follow to be able to partic

The nice thing about being a massive market like the US is that you can impose regulations that producers in other countries need to follow to be able to participate in the market. It does make enforcement harder, but as long as you have the political will its definitely feasible. O/c having the political will is an entirely different thing.

kelseyfrog 2y ago
> It does make enforcement harder We've overthrown foreign governments for smaller reasons. It's more a question of political will than anything else.
- ebiester 2y ago
  We can't even stop slave labor, something the world universally has gone, "this is bad." Hard problems are hard.
detourdog 2y ago
Another way to look at is the USA is overdeveloped that we have a duty to make everything as advanced as possible. Which raises the sophistication of other nations.
quacksilver 2y ago
Don't people just create backdoors? Example: The US has banned lots of Chinese stuff. The stuff now sneaks across the border into southeast Asia, or goes to a final assembly plant there and becomes Vietnamese or Cambodian. There are _supposed to_ be supply chain records and audits in many cases, though reality often doesn't match paperwork...
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  In the same way that we shouldn't outlaw murder because sometimes people get away with it anyway
  - phil21 2y ago
    Probably should work on catching a few murderers and figuring out an even moderately effective enforcement mechanism before pretending you can make more stuff illegal. Otherwise people just laugh at you as you further undermine any perceived authority you once had. We have done close to nothing to enforce the current tariffs and such, allowing blatant country of origin laundering to go the whole time with next to zero enforcement action. You can bring a ready to prosecute case to regulators and they do utterly nothing. Adding more to this regime would just be yet more performative nonsense to make some people feel good about themselves. We need far less of that in this world.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      https://www.justice.gov/usao-edtx/pr/importer-agrees-pay-798334-resolve-allegations-underpayment-customs-duties https://www.justice.gov/usao-edtx/pr/importer-agrees-pay-798... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ford-motor-company-agrees-pay-365m-settle-customs-civil-penalty-claims-relating https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ford-motor-company-agrees-pay... https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-228-million-settlement-civil-fraud-lawsuit-against-vitamin https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-2... https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/us-attorney-lapointe-announces-76-million-settlement-civil-false-claims-act-lawsuit https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/us-attorney-lapointe-an... https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-1-million-settlement-civil-fraud-lawsuit-against-trading-company https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-1... Now if you're just arguing the penalties need to be stiffer: sure! But on a cursory search, I don't believe it's fair at all to say we've done "close to nothing" or there's "next to zero enforcement action" or regulators "do utterly nothing" or it's "performative nonsense". What evidence do you have to back up your claims? It seems like perhaps you've actually brought a ready-to-prosecute case forward? Curious to learn!
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      - phil21 2y ago

kelseyfrog 2y ago

> It does make enforcement harder We've overthrown foreign governments for smaller reasons. It's more a question of political will than anything else.

ebiester 2y ago
We can't even stop slave labor, something the world universally has gone, "this is bad." Hard problems are hard.

detourdog 2y ago

Another way to look at is the USA is overdeveloped that we have a duty to make everything as advanced as possible. Which raises the sophistication of other nations.

quacksilver 2y ago

Don't people just create backdoors? Example: The US has banned lots of Chinese stuff. The stuff now sneaks across the border into southeast Asia, or goes to a final assembly plant there and becomes Vietnamese or Cambodian. There are _supposed to_ be supply chain records and audits in many cases, though reality often doesn't match paperwork...

llamaimperative 2y ago
In the same way that we shouldn't outlaw murder because sometimes people get away with it anyway
- phil21 2y ago
  Probably should work on catching a few murderers and figuring out an even moderately effective enforcement mechanism before pretending you can make more stuff illegal. Otherwise people just laugh at you as you further undermine any perceived authority you once had. We have done close to nothing to enforce the current tariffs and such, allowing blatant country of origin laundering to go the whole time with next to zero enforcement action. You can bring a ready to prosecute case to regulators and they do utterly nothing. Adding more to this regime would just be yet more performative nonsense to make some people feel good about themselves. We need far less of that in this world.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-edtx/pr/importer-agrees-pay-798334-resolve-allegations-underpayment-customs-duties https://www.justice.gov/usao-edtx/pr/importer-agrees-pay-798... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ford-motor-company-agrees-pay-365m-settle-customs-civil-penalty-claims-relating https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ford-motor-company-agrees-pay... https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-228-million-settlement-civil-fraud-lawsuit-against-vitamin https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-2... https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/us-attorney-lapointe-announces-76-million-settlement-civil-false-claims-act-lawsuit https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/us-attorney-lapointe-an... https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-1-million-settlement-civil-fraud-lawsuit-against-trading-company https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-1... Now if you're just arguing the penalties need to be stiffer: sure! But on a cursory search, I don't believe it's fair at all to say we've done "close to nothing" or there's "next to zero enforcement action" or regulators "do utterly nothing" or it's "performative nonsense". What evidence do you have to back up your claims? It seems like perhaps you've actually brought a ready-to-prosecute case forward? Curious to learn!
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    - phil21 2y ago