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I'm curious as to whether this general trend is a new one or if I'm just getting old: 1) user creates semi-controversial post (see: PHP sucks, nosql sucks, nod

I'm curious as to whether this general trend is a new one or if I'm just getting old: 1) user creates semi-controversial post (see: PHP sucks, nosql sucks, node sucks, semi-colons suck, time-is-money, ideas are worth nothing etc) 2) debated ad-nauseum with good points on both sides 3) within 24 hours, blog posts turn up which say almost the opposite of whatever was said in a) PHP works for me, time is worth nothing, nodejs/mysql is webscale, ideas are everything. I can't help but feel that - much like this comment - it doesn't add much that hasn't already been said better elsewhere and is purely for linkbait purposes.

RickHull 14y ago
Heh, I think you're just getting old. This is the new normal of public discussion in the blogosphere. I think it's a drastic improvement over the walled-garden editorials in major periodicals. I found this article in particular insightful, even if the "hook" feels a little cheap.
SoftwareMaven 14y ago
There are two things at play here: First, it is far easier to reply to an existing conversation than it is to start a conversation. Expanding on or contradicting an existing idea is easier than having an original idea. The second is that you are more likely to notice a conversation that has multiple replies so it appears most topics take that form. This is a form of survivorship bias, in that you rarely see the topics that don't start the threads. While I'm sure there are some responses of this nature that are true linkbait, I think the vast majority are not. Most of them are just people wanting to give their opinion, especially if they think somebody else is wrong.
dkrich 14y ago
You forgot the obligatory "9 reasons why your time is worth nothing." link-bait headline.
- debacle 14y ago
  And then the follow up "Studies show time is worth less for women than men."
dyeje 14y ago
I completely agree. What's worse is that the article doesn't even really present the opposite view, instead just agreeing with the general point of the original and stating it's attention instead of time, essentially arguing semantics. This is pretty aggravating.
- alttab 14y ago
  I disagree, it's not semantics. It's nuance. Which is important. I think he is saying its about focus. I often take the financially non optimum choice because I know what truly needs my attention. It's essentially opportunity cost. Is it worth a blog post? No answer to this question is meaningful as I'm sure is a matter of preference. Also, so what? Unless its your favorite blog author and you thought he wasted time with this one as a content consumer you don't lose anything.
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DigitalJack 14y ago
It does seem like that is happening more lately. I'm sure the original post inspired the present author as soon as they read it, but it does take a little while to put together a blog post, vs a reply on HN. What I personally don't like so much is the blog posts that seem to be targeting HN. I'm not sure why it bothers me...I guess it just seems cloistered and almost incestuous. I'm also not a fan of blog posts critiquing other blog posts. The blow-by-blow he-said/she-said format doesn't appeal to me at all. It seems to me the author in this case could have formulated his opinion into a post that didn't rely someone else's post at all.
- swombat 14y ago
  Actually, it took about half an hour from the point where I finished reading Jack's post to when I posted this up. Swombat.com started partly as a place to aggregate my commentary on articles that I think worthy of extra attention and comments. Worth noting that I didn't submit this to HN. Others did, and they upvoted it, so clearly some people are disagreeing with your view. If you don't like it, just read something else and don't upvote. As for formulating it without mentioning Jack's article, sure, I could have done that, but that would have been dishonest and lame, since the article was indeed inspired by Jack's writings.
mbesto 14y ago
This is HN. It's grown massively over the past few years and it's increasingly getting targeted with more linkbait content. To your point, I spend a lot less time on here now.
hef19898 14y ago
I#m not that long around HN, but yes, that#s something that started a couple of weeks ago with quite some regularity. I don't like it neither. But if people enough time to do that. Maybe I#m just gonna ignore them, easy since they so conviently give away themselves in the title! :-)
IsaacL 14y ago
This is swombat, one of the biggest tech bloggers in the UK, not some random linkbaiter trying to build his Klout score. He's been around for years, and his blog has always been a repository for interesting links he finds online, along with his own commentary. IIRC he started it because he realised he spent way too much time reading content without remembering any of it; by taking the time to write about the good stuff, it stuck with him.
mcguire 14y ago
"Once upon a time. The end."

RickHull 14y ago

Heh, I think you're just getting old. This is the new normal of public discussion in the blogosphere. I think it's a drastic improvement over the walled-garden editorials in major periodicals. I found this article in particular insightful, even if the "hook" feels a little cheap.

SoftwareMaven 14y ago

There are two things at play here: First, it is far easier to reply to an existing conversation than it is to start a conversation. Expanding on or contradicting an existing idea is easier than having an original idea. The second is that you are more likely to notice a conversation that has multiple replies so it appears most topics take that form. This is a form of survivorship bias, in that you rarely see the topics that don't start the threads. While I'm sure there are some responses of this nature that are true linkbait, I think the vast majority are not. Most of them are just people wanting to give their opinion, especially if they think somebody else is wrong.

dkrich 14y ago

You forgot the obligatory "9 reasons why your time is worth nothing." link-bait headline.

debacle 14y ago
And then the follow up "Studies show time is worth less for women than men."

dyeje 14y ago

I completely agree. What's worse is that the article doesn't even really present the opposite view, instead just agreeing with the general point of the original and stating it's attention instead of time, essentially arguing semantics. This is pretty aggravating.

alttab 14y ago
I disagree, it's not semantics. It's nuance. Which is important. I think he is saying its about focus. I often take the financially non optimum choice because I know what truly needs my attention. It's essentially opportunity cost. Is it worth a blog post? No answer to this question is meaningful as I'm sure is a matter of preference. Also, so what? Unless its your favorite blog author and you thought he wasted time with this one as a content consumer you don't lose anything.

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DigitalJack 14y ago

It does seem like that is happening more lately. I'm sure the original post inspired the present author as soon as they read it, but it does take a little while to put together a blog post, vs a reply on HN. What I personally don't like so much is the blog posts that seem to be targeting HN. I'm not sure why it bothers me...I guess it just seems cloistered and almost incestuous. I'm also not a fan of blog posts critiquing other blog posts. The blow-by-blow he-said/she-said format doesn't appeal to me at all. It seems to me the author in this case could have formulated his opinion into a post that didn't rely someone else's post at all.

swombat 14y ago
Actually, it took about half an hour from the point where I finished reading Jack's post to when I posted this up. Swombat.com started partly as a place to aggregate my commentary on articles that I think worthy of extra attention and comments. Worth noting that I didn't submit this to HN. Others did, and they upvoted it, so clearly some people are disagreeing with your view. If you don't like it, just read something else and don't upvote. As for formulating it without mentioning Jack's article, sure, I could have done that, but that would have been dishonest and lame, since the article was indeed inspired by Jack's writings.

mbesto 14y ago

This is HN. It's grown massively over the past few years and it's increasingly getting targeted with more linkbait content. To your point, I spend a lot less time on here now.

hef19898 14y ago

I#m not that long around HN, but yes, that#s something that started a couple of weeks ago with quite some regularity. I don't like it neither. But if people enough time to do that. Maybe I#m just gonna ignore them, easy since they so conviently give away themselves in the title! :-)

IsaacL 14y ago

This is swombat, one of the biggest tech bloggers in the UK, not some random linkbaiter trying to build his Klout score. He's been around for years, and his blog has always been a repository for interesting links he finds online, along with his own commentary. IIRC he started it because he realised he spent way too much time reading content without remembering any of it; by taking the time to write about the good stuff, it stuck with him.

mcguire 14y ago

"Once upon a time. The end."