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>My position on the whole conflict is along the lines of "everybody sucks". That's like calling the holocaust a "conflict" and that in that "conflict" everybod
by jedimind 2y ago
>My position on the whole conflict is along the lines of "everybody sucks".
That's like calling the holocaust a "conflict" and that in that "conflict" everybody sucked. That's the kind of bothsidesism you would have gotten away with before Israel's genocide[1] of Palestinians which led people to studying the history[2] of Palestine and the history of Zionism and realizing that this "conflict" is not some random accident but the outcome of a carefully crafted colonial project by secular european-jews with nationalist ambitions - long before the holocaust. For these secular jews, who also considered colonizing Uganda, Madagascar, Cyprus, Argentina (Baron Hirsch's colonization project), Birobidzhan - USSR (Jewish Autonomous Oblast), Alaska (Slattery Report proposal), British Guiana, judaism was simply a useful tool to legitimize their colonial project: "Most Zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe that he promised them Palestine".
[1] https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/prof-amos-goldberg-yes-it-is-genocide/ https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/prof-amos-go...
[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20231029055310/ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/jewish-zionist-terrorism-and-establishment-israel https://web.archive.org/web/20231029055310/ojp.gov/ncjrs/vir...
- demarq 2y agoI also had a response but it would probably get me permanently banned. You more reasonable and patient than I am. Well said.
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- i_am_a_peasant 2y agoAmos Goldberg is monetizing being an anti-israel israeli. If you gave him valid counter arguments he'd never accept them because it would be career suicide. So I'm not even going to begin to tackle any of this stuff. I support your right to free speech but I don't get how any of this helps anyone with anything. You have to work with today's reality that Israel is a state that exists that has certain security interests. I'm guessing the end game here is to cut US support for Israel and hope that it will wither and die afterwards? With the current administration that's not gonna happen anytime soon and I doubt you'll see it change in the next 20-40 years. Do you think you'll decide to be more constructive in that time?
- jedimind 2y ago>Amos Goldberg is monetizing being an anti-israel israeli. If you gave him valid counter arguments he'd never accept them because it would be career suicide. So I'm not even going to begin to tackle any of this stuff. That's nothing but peak genocide denial rhetoric. There are Neo-Nazis who use the exact same rhetoric as you to deny the holocaust. How would it be "career suicide" for Amos Goldberg to argue against it being a Genocide as long as he provides credible arguments? It only would be "career suicide" because anyone with half a brain can see that it's a Genocide. Anyone who is not a Zionist and has just seen a fraction of the mountains of evidence can conclude without a doubt that it's a Genocide. One has to be completely delusional to deny it. Amnesty International investigation concludes Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-inter... Press releases UN body, UN Special Committee finds Israel’s warfare methods in Gaza consistent with genocide, including use of starvation as weapon of war: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-c...