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Ah yes. The old anti-privacy mantra: you have nothing to worry about, if you have nothing to hide.

sofixa 2y ago
It's a question if you put people's individual "privacy" (quotes because you're driving in public, on public roads paid for by the public, under public laws, and under the public's view - there's not really privacy as to how you're driving, everyone out there can see it) over people's collective right to live? Road deaths are among the leading causes of death in multiple developed countries.
- guappa 2y ago
  Roads are public but unless you have someone following around you can't know where everyone is at all times. But with tracker now you have mass surveillance! We criticize chinese government but we do much worse.
epolanski 2y ago
I did write "besides privacy" because it is a valid concern indeed. But considering that most people don't give two damns about their privacy (or at least act like it, keeping 24/7 a tracking device on them and sharing all of their lives non stop) what would be their valid reason to not have a tracking device for insurance purposes on their cars?
- lucianbr 2y ago
  Will the data collection and interpretation be perfect? What if the map with the speed limits is inaccurate and my commute goes through a road where the limit is 70, traffic drives at 70, but the system thinks the limit is 30? My car displays the speed limit in the dash, as a helper, and sometimes the above happens. If it had automatic braking for crossing the speed limit, it would be a disaster. Also, if I drive 70 on a 70 road completely covered in snow, will the system know I'm doing something dangerous? Automatic judgement of people is a bad idea, and it surprises me that anyone who is working in software development would think otherwise.
  - epolanski 2y ago
    Those are technical not ethical issues. In any case, the system works fine in Italy, the purpose is only to provide more data in case of collisions. The idea is that if you're driving legally and you end up in a costly accident you can prove you were driving and acting correctly.
    - lucianbr 2y ago
      > Those are technical not ethical issues. They can be football issues, they're still issues. > you can prove you were driving and acting correctly Unless there's a technical issue that makes you either unable to prove it, or makes the data say you were at fault. Look at the thread about the UK Post Office and how many people were wrongfully convicted based on "technical issues". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56718036 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56718036 "Just technical issues"

It's a question if you put people's individual "privacy" (quotes because you're driving in public, on public roads paid for by the public, under public laws, and under the public's view - there's not really privacy as to how you're driving, everyone out there can see it) over people's collective right to live? Road deaths are among the leading causes of death in multiple developed countries.

guappa 2y ago
Roads are public but unless you have someone following around you can't know where everyone is at all times. But with tracker now you have mass surveillance! We criticize chinese government but we do much worse.

epolanski 2y ago

I did write "besides privacy" because it is a valid concern indeed. But considering that most people don't give two damns about their privacy (or at least act like it, keeping 24/7 a tracking device on them and sharing all of their lives non stop) what would be their valid reason to not have a tracking device for insurance purposes on their cars?

lucianbr 2y ago
Will the data collection and interpretation be perfect? What if the map with the speed limits is inaccurate and my commute goes through a road where the limit is 70, traffic drives at 70, but the system thinks the limit is 30? My car displays the speed limit in the dash, as a helper, and sometimes the above happens. If it had automatic braking for crossing the speed limit, it would be a disaster. Also, if I drive 70 on a 70 road completely covered in snow, will the system know I'm doing something dangerous? Automatic judgement of people is a bad idea, and it surprises me that anyone who is working in software development would think otherwise.
- epolanski 2y ago
  Those are technical not ethical issues. In any case, the system works fine in Italy, the purpose is only to provide more data in case of collisions. The idea is that if you're driving legally and you end up in a costly accident you can prove you were driving and acting correctly.
  - lucianbr 2y ago
    > Those are technical not ethical issues. They can be football issues, they're still issues. > you can prove you were driving and acting correctly Unless there's a technical issue that makes you either unable to prove it, or makes the data say you were at fault. Look at the thread about the UK Post Office and how many people were wrongfully convicted based on "technical issues". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56718036 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56718036 "Just technical issues"