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What you are saying would make some sense if having Muslim beliefs or being Muslim or looking Muslim were some sort of disease which a nation must be "protected

What you are saying would make some sense if having Muslim beliefs or being Muslim or looking Muslim were some sort of disease which a nation must be "protected" from. Unfortunately for you, this childish fantasy of ethnic and nationalist purity has never existed. No amount of ellipses will change that fact.

DiscourseFan 2y ago
The modern state of France is founded on liberal values that go completely against the tenets of Islam. I don’t have any stakes in it myself but I could understand the hostility.
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- niemandhier 2y ago
  To be fair: Those values are also incompatible with Catholicism.
  - DiscourseFan 2y ago
    Well yeah. If small groups of people want to meet to pray to a god that has no meaning for their social reality then they can go ahead, I don’t care. But they shouldn’t be able to bother anyone else about it.
wqaatwt 2y ago
> Muslim were some sort of disease which a nation must be "protected" from Your words but if we focus on the period after 1950 then yes that is a more or less broadly accurate conclusion. > fantasy of You mean of secularism and liberal democracy? Or the rather the fantasy that the political beliefs of most practicing muslims in muslim majority countries are seemingly entirely compatible with those concepts? Must be a random coincidence…
jjk7 2y ago
Nation: a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language The French culture will die if no one protects it. Without limits to cultural admixture, 'Frenchness' will be diluted into a sea of other cultures. It is a fundamental mistake to assume assimilation. This is not a controversial take, even amongst liberals. In Canada for example, the disappearing cultures of First Nations (Indigenous Canadians) is protected with public funds through various programs. Yet for some reason, it's a bad thing to protect European culture?
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  You should call it by its name, it's the "Great Replacement" theory. The theory was put into words by a French guy, so sure a portion of French people will be sensible to it. Then you'd also look at last election's results, and more than half the people rejected the National Rally, mostly because of that kind of "make France great again" ideology.

DiscourseFan 2y ago

The modern state of France is founded on liberal values that go completely against the tenets of Islam. I don’t have any stakes in it myself but I could understand the hostility.

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niemandhier 2y ago
To be fair: Those values are also incompatible with Catholicism.
- DiscourseFan 2y ago
  Well yeah. If small groups of people want to meet to pray to a god that has no meaning for their social reality then they can go ahead, I don’t care. But they shouldn’t be able to bother anyone else about it.

wqaatwt 2y ago

> Muslim were some sort of disease which a nation must be "protected" from Your words but if we focus on the period after 1950 then yes that is a more or less broadly accurate conclusion. > fantasy of You mean of secularism and liberal democracy? Or the rather the fantasy that the political beliefs of most practicing muslims in muslim majority countries are seemingly entirely compatible with those concepts? Must be a random coincidence…

jjk7 2y ago

Nation: a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language The French culture will die if no one protects it. Without limits to cultural admixture, 'Frenchness' will be diluted into a sea of other cultures. It is a fundamental mistake to assume assimilation. This is not a controversial take, even amongst liberals. In Canada for example, the disappearing cultures of First Nations (Indigenous Canadians) is protected with public funds through various programs. Yet for some reason, it's a bad thing to protect European culture?

makeitdouble 2y ago
You should call it by its name, it's the "Great Replacement" theory. The theory was put into words by a French guy, so sure a portion of French people will be sensible to it. Then you'd also look at last election's results, and more than half the people rejected the National Rally, mostly because of that kind of "make France great again" ideology.