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Cars are the most age discriminatory mode of transport of all: only 18+ and not too old can use it, and most disabled cannot use it. A Bicycles work to all age

by k99x55 2y ago

Cars are the most age discriminatory mode of transport of all: only 18+ and not too old can use it, and most disabled cannot use it. A Bicycles work to all ages, all abilities. In your case an ebike, trike (etrike?) or even mobility scooter might be a much lighter, cheaper, scalable option. Hey why not a self-driving e-scooter? Why does it have to weight 2 tons in the first place? Bike infrastructure is not only for bicycles: its for trikes, wheelchairs, mobility scooters, ebikes. Watch: * Who else benefits from the Dutch cycling infrastructure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSGx3HSjKDo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSGx3HSjKDo * 8 to 80, people of all ages cycling in the Netherlands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swqaAIkGtpA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swqaAIkGtpA

keiferski 2y ago
Have you ever interacted with a person over 70 that has mobility problems? Do you really expect an 80 year old to ride a scooter up a hill in the rain/snow? Getting into the car is difficult enough.
- k99x55 2y ago
  I'm not saying to ban cars, just to de-prioritize them The use case for bicycle-and-similars is way more than the use case for cars specially urban places (also outside urban places)
- tim333 2y ago
  Dunno - check out old guy on mobility scooter video: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2028301917230649 https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2028301917230649 I'm a little like that myself - not as old at 60 but have switched to an ebike to still go fast.
  - keiferski 2y ago
    ...that's a meme post of a guy in a mask. It's not an old guy.
    - tim333 2y ago
      Ah so it is! Still I was looking at getting a mobility scooter for my dad, about 85 at the time, though I don't think he would have pulled wheelies.
- bamboozled 2y ago
  Or move to a flatter area ?
numpad0 2y ago
Let's give that self driving e-scooter four seats, oops that's a kei car... They weigh almost exactly one ton too, before adding four adults and a suitcase or two. Just take see how roads in Tokyo already look like[1]. Cars are already driven like factory floor robots[2]. Actually automating those hurts nothing. 1: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=factory+agv https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=factory+agv 2: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=driving+tokyo https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=driving+tokyo
wlonkly 2y ago
I know what you're getting at here and I agree with you in spirit, but: A lot of life-alteringly physically disabled people can drive cars. For example, lower-body paraplegics and double amputees can use hand throttle and brake controls. Single leg amputees can drive with a single leg, single arm amputees can drive with a knob on the steering wheel, and so on. And bicycles do not work to all ages in the same way that cars don't. When you can't make safe decisions in traffic a bike can't work. Heck, a tumble off a bike could be the end of mobility for an elderly person. (I wonder how many places expect mobility scooters to be on the sidewalk vs. allowed on a bike path?)

by k99x55 2y ago

keiferski 2y ago

Have you ever interacted with a person over 70 that has mobility problems? Do you really expect an 80 year old to ride a scooter up a hill in the rain/snow? Getting into the car is difficult enough.

k99x55 2y ago
I'm not saying to ban cars, just to de-prioritize them The use case for bicycle-and-similars is way more than the use case for cars specially urban places (also outside urban places)
tim333 2y ago
Dunno - check out old guy on mobility scooter video: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2028301917230649 https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2028301917230649 I'm a little like that myself - not as old at 60 but have switched to an ebike to still go fast.
- keiferski 2y ago
  ...that's a meme post of a guy in a mask. It's not an old guy.
  - tim333 2y ago
    Ah so it is! Still I was looking at getting a mobility scooter for my dad, about 85 at the time, though I don't think he would have pulled wheelies.
bamboozled 2y ago
Or move to a flatter area ?

numpad0 2y ago

Let's give that self driving e-scooter four seats, oops that's a kei car... They weigh almost exactly one ton too, before adding four adults and a suitcase or two. Just take see how roads in Tokyo already look like[1]. Cars are already driven like factory floor robots[2]. Actually automating those hurts nothing. 1: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=factory+agv https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=factory+agv 2: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=driving+tokyo https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=driving+tokyo

wlonkly 2y ago

I know what you're getting at here and I agree with you in spirit, but: A lot of life-alteringly physically disabled people can drive cars. For example, lower-body paraplegics and double amputees can use hand throttle and brake controls. Single leg amputees can drive with a single leg, single arm amputees can drive with a knob on the steering wheel, and so on. And bicycles do not work to all ages in the same way that cars don't. When you can't make safe decisions in traffic a bike can't work. Heck, a tumble off a bike could be the end of mobility for an elderly person. (I wonder how many places expect mobility scooters to be on the sidewalk vs. allowed on a bike path?)