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Are you a HN admin/dev/mod now?

kotaKat 2y ago
No, anyone can technically vouch dead posts with 31 karma or higher. Vouching is the inverse of a flag. https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented/blob/master/README.md#flaggingvouching https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented/blob/m...
- echoangle 2y ago
  I think the question was due to the claim that the domain is shadowbanned, not the vouching.
minimaxir 2y ago
No. Although I may not have the exact reason the domain was banned, I've been around long enough to observe that everytime a 404media.co article is posted and gets traction, the comments unanimously complain about the paywall and it gets flagkilled. Vouching is intended as a corrective check on things that shouldn't be automatically killed.
- echoangle 2y ago
  So it’s not shadowbanned in the sense that the server sees the domain and automatically flags the post, but users manually flag it?
  - minimaxir 2y ago
    Now it's shadowbanned, but that wasn't the case when 404media.co first launched. https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=404media.co&next=39328758 https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=404media.co&next=3932...
    - echoangle 2y ago
      What does shadowbanned mean to you?
      - minimaxir 2y ago
        Shadowbanned means "in the sense that the server sees the domain and automatically flags the post," as you said, which is the behavior described in my original comment. I'm not sure what you are getting at.
        echoangle 2y ago
        You wrote this in present tense: > Although I may not have the exact reason the domain was banned, I've been around long enough to observe that everytime a 404media.co article is posted and gets traction, the comments unanimously complain about the paywall and it gets flagkilled. So I thought this is what you meant by shadowbanned.
- quintin 2y ago
  Got it. Miss your Techcrunch trolls btw
  - minimaxir 2y ago
    me too
misnome 2y ago
I suspect it’s more some threshold of vouching required, because I know for a fact some of the other dead submissions got vouched. Still, this apparently completely undocumented standard behaviour seems a little bit troubling? It’s not like 404media is a spam content mill (and I doubt it is the ability to bypass the paywall - those methods don’t work on 404?)

No, anyone can technically vouch dead posts with 31 karma or higher. Vouching is the inverse of a flag. https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented/blob/master/README.md#flaggingvouching https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented/blob/m...

echoangle 2y ago
I think the question was due to the claim that the domain is shadowbanned, not the vouching.

minimaxir 2y ago

No. Although I may not have the exact reason the domain was banned, I've been around long enough to observe that everytime a 404media.co article is posted and gets traction, the comments unanimously complain about the paywall and it gets flagkilled. Vouching is intended as a corrective check on things that shouldn't be automatically killed.

echoangle 2y ago
So it’s not shadowbanned in the sense that the server sees the domain and automatically flags the post, but users manually flag it?
- minimaxir 2y ago
  Now it's shadowbanned, but that wasn't the case when 404media.co first launched. https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=404media.co&next=39328758 https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=404media.co&next=3932...
  - echoangle 2y ago
    What does shadowbanned mean to you?
    - minimaxir 2y ago
      Shadowbanned means "in the sense that the server sees the domain and automatically flags the post," as you said, which is the behavior described in my original comment. I'm not sure what you are getting at.
      - echoangle 2y ago
        You wrote this in present tense: > Although I may not have the exact reason the domain was banned, I've been around long enough to observe that everytime a 404media.co article is posted and gets traction, the comments unanimously complain about the paywall and it gets flagkilled. So I thought this is what you meant by shadowbanned.
quintin 2y ago
Got it. Miss your Techcrunch trolls btw
- minimaxir 2y ago
  me too

misnome 2y ago

I suspect it’s more some threshold of vouching required, because I know for a fact some of the other dead submissions got vouched. Still, this apparently completely undocumented standard behaviour seems a little bit troubling? It’s not like 404media is a spam content mill (and I doubt it is the ability to bypass the paywall - those methods don’t work on 404?)