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Is there any serious website that reviews (rank list) these VPNs? I say this because it is always difficult to find information that is not sponsored on the int

Is there any serious website that reviews (rank list) these VPNs? I say this because it is always difficult to find information that is not sponsored on the internet. In fact, I've always heard that Mullvad is one of the best, even supporting P2P

vigilans 2y ago
You heard wrong. Mullvad is the best ;)
ThatMedicIsASpy 2y ago
Port forwarding was removed a year ago which handicapped P2P. https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2023/5/29/removing-the-support-for-forwarded-ports https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2023/5/29/removing-the-support-f...
npteljes 2y ago
The go-to used to be the website of "that one privacy guy". Now, on who is this guy, and whether this is really his site, I have no idea. https://thatoneprivacysite.xyz/#detailed-vpn-comparison https://thatoneprivacysite.xyz/#detailed-vpn-comparison
- crossroadsguy 2y ago
  > (Data last updated on 20/07/19)
- rsynnott 2y ago
  I mean, if you knew who he was, he wouldn't be a very good privacy guy, now, would he?
  - npteljes 2y ago
    I get what you're getting at, but no, in hindsight, I like my privacy and security watchdogs to be transparent. Like Bruce Schneier. And for a counterexample, Satoshi. I lost my trust in anonymous randos, for authenticity, I like someone with a professional face and contact info.
bubblethink 2y ago
These rankings are going to be meaningless and littered with blog spam. VPNs as a category are mostly snake oil. The only real world use for vpns is circumventing censorship if you live in a place that censors. The only privacy you're gaining is that from your ISP.
- wyclif 2y ago
  I don't think that's the only real world use for VPNs. For instance, you might be working remote from a foreign country and not want your employer to know that. It's not something that I would recommend, but you know it happens.
  - ale42 2y ago
    My employer blocks all known VPN endpoints (as well as TOR exit nodes) with ingress filtering. Because many attacks come from there...
- ziddoap 2y ago
  >The only privacy you're gaining is that from your ISP. This alone can be worth it for many people. I trust Mullvad significantly more than I trust my ISP.
  - bubblethink 2y ago
    But you are giving very little to the ISP to begin with. You can use encrypted DNS and most web content has TLS. The only gap there is SNI, which we should be able to close with TLS ECH. I don't know why ECH has been so slow to roll out.
    - piaste 2y ago
      Encrypted DNS is certainly an improvement, but it's only as anonymous as the IP address you are connecting to. I am not aware of any firewalls that enforce the rule 'only attempt to connect to massively-shared cloud IPs that can't be easily subject to a reverse DNS lookup'.
aspenmayer 2y ago
https://www.privacyguides.org/en/vpn/ https://www.privacyguides.org/en/vpn/ Discussion of the audit of TFA on the Privacy Guides forum: https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/mullvads-2024-security-audit-is-now-available/23108 https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/mullvads-2024-security-a...
culi 2y ago
This hasn't been updated for a while but this is by far the most thorough breakdown/comparison of all vpn services https://thatoneprivacysite.xyz/#detailed-vpn-comparison https://thatoneprivacysite.xyz/#detailed-vpn-comparison
stallion1892 2y ago
I'm surprised no one has mentioned techlore.tech

vigilans 2y ago

You heard wrong. Mullvad is the best ;)

ThatMedicIsASpy 2y ago

Port forwarding was removed a year ago which handicapped P2P. https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2023/5/29/removing-the-support-for-forwarded-ports https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2023/5/29/removing-the-support-f...

npteljes 2y ago

The go-to used to be the website of "that one privacy guy". Now, on who is this guy, and whether this is really his site, I have no idea. https://thatoneprivacysite.xyz/#detailed-vpn-comparison https://thatoneprivacysite.xyz/#detailed-vpn-comparison

crossroadsguy 2y ago
> (Data last updated on 20/07/19)
rsynnott 2y ago
I mean, if you knew who he was, he wouldn't be a very good privacy guy, now, would he?
- npteljes 2y ago
  I get what you're getting at, but no, in hindsight, I like my privacy and security watchdogs to be transparent. Like Bruce Schneier. And for a counterexample, Satoshi. I lost my trust in anonymous randos, for authenticity, I like someone with a professional face and contact info.

bubblethink 2y ago

These rankings are going to be meaningless and littered with blog spam. VPNs as a category are mostly snake oil. The only real world use for vpns is circumventing censorship if you live in a place that censors. The only privacy you're gaining is that from your ISP.

wyclif 2y ago
I don't think that's the only real world use for VPNs. For instance, you might be working remote from a foreign country and not want your employer to know that. It's not something that I would recommend, but you know it happens.
- ale42 2y ago
  My employer blocks all known VPN endpoints (as well as TOR exit nodes) with ingress filtering. Because many attacks come from there...
ziddoap 2y ago
>The only privacy you're gaining is that from your ISP. This alone can be worth it for many people. I trust Mullvad significantly more than I trust my ISP.
- bubblethink 2y ago
  But you are giving very little to the ISP to begin with. You can use encrypted DNS and most web content has TLS. The only gap there is SNI, which we should be able to close with TLS ECH. I don't know why ECH has been so slow to roll out.
  - piaste 2y ago
    Encrypted DNS is certainly an improvement, but it's only as anonymous as the IP address you are connecting to. I am not aware of any firewalls that enforce the rule 'only attempt to connect to massively-shared cloud IPs that can't be easily subject to a reverse DNS lookup'.

aspenmayer 2y ago

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/vpn/ https://www.privacyguides.org/en/vpn/ Discussion of the audit of TFA on the Privacy Guides forum: https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/mullvads-2024-security-audit-is-now-available/23108 https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/mullvads-2024-security-a...

culi 2y ago

This hasn't been updated for a while but this is by far the most thorough breakdown/comparison of all vpn services https://thatoneprivacysite.xyz/#detailed-vpn-comparison https://thatoneprivacysite.xyz/#detailed-vpn-comparison

stallion1892 2y ago

I'm surprised no one has mentioned techlore.tech