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You're stretching it. In the US the government can't arrest for causing offense to someone specifically because of the 1st amendment...You can get sued for libe

by pookha 2y ago

You're stretching it. In the US the government can't arrest for causing offense to someone specifically because of the 1st amendment...You can get sued for libel (very high bar and it's notoriously difficult in the US) but you're not going to be rounded up and put into a corrections facility for being offensive. This is the perfect illustration of the first amendment in the US vs the UK. In the UK a violent Maoist (red guard-like) police mob went after teenager for causing offense: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12399911/Revealed-Mother-autistic-daughter-16-dragged-home-police-saying-female-officer-lesbian-like-nana-set-SUE-force.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12399911/Revealed-M...

latexr 2y ago
> for being offensive. The Sandy Hook parents received death threats for years because of him. That’s not “being offensive”, it’s tormenting people and putting their lives in peril. https://archive.ph/20221013141353/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/29/us/politics/alex-jones-sandy-hook-parker.html https://archive.ph/20221013141353/https://www.nytimes.com/20...
- zer8k 2y ago
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  - roland35 2y ago
    Dude you are uninformed! Jones profited off the sandy hook families, elevated people like halzig, and accused the parents of being crisis actors which directly led to harassment. Jones is the one with the platform spreading these lies and that is why he got sued. Also he certainly may have won the defamation cases against him. Too bad he totally made a joke of the process which led to the default judgement. Maybe he thought providing the discovery info was worse? Listen to his depositions yourself if you don't believe me. Jones is a sociopath.
  - buttercraft 2y ago
    FFS, nobody is stopping him from speaking! He's being held accountable for his own words. You have it completely backwards: this is Free Speech in action.
- the_optimist 2y ago
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  - latexr 2y ago
    If someone started a rumour that “the_optimist on HN sleeps with seventeen goats every Thursday” and you started getting calls of people saying “you’re a pervert for sleeping with seventeen goats”, it would be quite obvious what motivated the call, would it not? Before calling something impossible, consider the bare minimum effort to skim the linked article, or read any article on this subject. It is in fact quite trivial and provable.
    - the_optimist 2y ago
      Your hypothetical is neither trivial nor provable. How does one identify the “first mover”? How does one identify the integrity of the “calls”? What if the calls are a single caller represented separately? What if the calls are falsely represented by motive? What if I, in fact, have today received 400 calls on the matter you have stated? Am I eligible to sue you?
- the_optimist 2y ago
  How can you prove that the person sending a death threat was specifically motivated by a specific, broad act of speech? This is an impossible, unenforceable premise. It has no basis in law either in theory or practice. Example lines of inquiry: How does one identify the “first mover”? How does one identify the integrity of the “calls”? What if the calls are a single caller represented separately? What if the calls are falsely represented by motive?

by pookha 2y ago

latexr 2y ago

> for being offensive. The Sandy Hook parents received death threats for years because of him. That’s not “being offensive”, it’s tormenting people and putting their lives in peril. https://archive.ph/20221013141353/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/29/us/politics/alex-jones-sandy-hook-parker.html https://archive.ph/20221013141353/https://www.nytimes.com/20...

zer8k 2y ago
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- roland35 2y ago
  Dude you are uninformed! Jones profited off the sandy hook families, elevated people like halzig, and accused the parents of being crisis actors which directly led to harassment. Jones is the one with the platform spreading these lies and that is why he got sued. Also he certainly may have won the defamation cases against him. Too bad he totally made a joke of the process which led to the default judgement. Maybe he thought providing the discovery info was worse? Listen to his depositions yourself if you don't believe me. Jones is a sociopath.
- buttercraft 2y ago
  FFS, nobody is stopping him from speaking! He's being held accountable for his own words. You have it completely backwards: this is Free Speech in action.
the_optimist 2y ago
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- latexr 2y ago
  If someone started a rumour that “the_optimist on HN sleeps with seventeen goats every Thursday” and you started getting calls of people saying “you’re a pervert for sleeping with seventeen goats”, it would be quite obvious what motivated the call, would it not? Before calling something impossible, consider the bare minimum effort to skim the linked article, or read any article on this subject. It is in fact quite trivial and provable.
  - the_optimist 2y ago
    Your hypothetical is neither trivial nor provable. How does one identify the “first mover”? How does one identify the integrity of the “calls”? What if the calls are a single caller represented separately? What if the calls are falsely represented by motive? What if I, in fact, have today received 400 calls on the matter you have stated? Am I eligible to sue you?
the_optimist 2y ago
How can you prove that the person sending a death threat was specifically motivated by a specific, broad act of speech? This is an impossible, unenforceable premise. It has no basis in law either in theory or practice. Example lines of inquiry: How does one identify the “first mover”? How does one identify the integrity of the “calls”? What if the calls are a single caller represented separately? What if the calls are falsely represented by motive?