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There are lots of entities out there that assume consent.

PittleyDunkin 2y ago
Isn't this the entire point of browsewrapped TOS "agreements"? There's a reason why specifically tracking via cookies had to be singled out by regulation to work at all (putting aside how well or not well this actually works).
- bluGill 2y ago
  Since you don't have a realistic alternative should those hold up?
- ganzuul 2y ago
  I doubt it? Stuff only works because we can't punch each other over the internet.
  - PittleyDunkin 2y ago
    That's a grim view of humanity, I think. The internet is arguably the most collaborative project in the history of mankind especially outside of extractive and invasive motives. Hopefully not all of us will die before seeing serious legislation protecting that kind of social investment.
    - ganzuul 2y ago
      It's not a very human medium, so it is not man who is implicated.
- eastbound 2y ago
  > why specifically tracking via cookies had to be singled out by regulation Well, it is not singled out by regulation. The GDPR doesn’t even mention cookies at all. They mention any way to track users. Fingerprinting is also banned, for example.
  - dathinab 2y ago
    yes, GDPR is technology agnostic many of it's predecessor sadly are not and are still around leading to absurdities of there being _both_ a GDPR dialog for tracking and a "cookie dialog" (which depending of the law might also apply to local storage and co) to get permission to "store" something on you computer. Like a hint to not track you :facepalm: (And yes legally from GDPR storing a same origin cookie only accessible to the browser and you to remember the user doesn't want to be tracked is legal _iff_ you don't use it for tracking users which don't want to be tracked server side. It's one of the many examples where "what legally is good enough" and "what security wise is good enough" can diverge quite a bit.)
nonrandomstring 2y ago
In the words of Jonah Aragon [0] "Mozilla constantly fails to understand the basic concept of consent" [1]. [0] https://blog.privacyguides.org/2024/07/14/mozilla-disappoints-us-yet-again-2/ https://blog.privacyguides.org/2024/07/14/mozilla-disappoint... [1] https://cybershow.uk/blog/posts/you-are-too-dumb-for-tech https://cybershow.uk/blog/posts/you-are-too-dumb-for-tech

Isn't this the entire point of browsewrapped TOS "agreements"? There's a reason why specifically tracking via cookies had to be singled out by regulation to work at all (putting aside how well or not well this actually works).

bluGill 2y ago
Since you don't have a realistic alternative should those hold up?
ganzuul 2y ago
I doubt it? Stuff only works because we can't punch each other over the internet.
- PittleyDunkin 2y ago
  That's a grim view of humanity, I think. The internet is arguably the most collaborative project in the history of mankind especially outside of extractive and invasive motives. Hopefully not all of us will die before seeing serious legislation protecting that kind of social investment.
  - ganzuul 2y ago
    It's not a very human medium, so it is not man who is implicated.
eastbound 2y ago
> why specifically tracking via cookies had to be singled out by regulation Well, it is not singled out by regulation. The GDPR doesn’t even mention cookies at all. They mention any way to track users. Fingerprinting is also banned, for example.
- dathinab 2y ago
  yes, GDPR is technology agnostic many of it's predecessor sadly are not and are still around leading to absurdities of there being _both_ a GDPR dialog for tracking and a "cookie dialog" (which depending of the law might also apply to local storage and co) to get permission to "store" something on you computer. Like a hint to not track you :facepalm: (And yes legally from GDPR storing a same origin cookie only accessible to the browser and you to remember the user doesn't want to be tracked is legal _iff_ you don't use it for tracking users which don't want to be tracked server side. It's one of the many examples where "what legally is good enough" and "what security wise is good enough" can diverge quite a bit.)

nonrandomstring 2y ago

In the words of Jonah Aragon [0] "Mozilla constantly fails to understand the basic concept of consent" [1]. [0] https://blog.privacyguides.org/2024/07/14/mozilla-disappoints-us-yet-again-2/ https://blog.privacyguides.org/2024/07/14/mozilla-disappoint... [1] https://cybershow.uk/blog/posts/you-are-too-dumb-for-tech https://cybershow.uk/blog/posts/you-are-too-dumb-for-tech