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So why this over qutebrowser [1] ? (Which has been my go-to keyboard-first browser for a long time.) This isn't mentioned in the FAQ despite I think being the n

So why this over qutebrowser [1] ? (Which has been my go-to keyboard-first browser for a long time.) This isn't mentioned in the FAQ despite I think being the natural comparison. [1] https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser

llm_trw 2y ago
Vim vs Emacs bindings for one.
- yasser_kaddoura 2y ago
  You can configure both to use either. List of emacs-like config in Qutebrowser: https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/blob/main/doc/help/configuring.asciidoc#emacs-like-config https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/blob/main/doc/hel...
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    Like always it's a second class citizen. I spend a stupid 6 months trying to use emacs like vim. Emacs isn't a text editor. If you need to edit text as a rectangle of characters then you can drop in evil mode. Expecting to use emacs control characters from evil mode it a bit like using Kanji to write English.
    - jolmg 2y ago
      It was my experience too that it's better to commit to using Emacs like Emacs. `C-x SPC` is the Emacs way to select a rectangle of characters.
    - emptysongglass 2y ago
      Evil (VIM emulation mode in Emacs) does not in any way behave like a second-class citizen. I use evil every single day and it's fantastic. Emacs is a text editor, yes, among other things. If anyone is reading this who hasn't tried Emacs, don't let takes like this spoil you giving Emacs a try. Doom Emacs is a fantastic experience to get started but there are more minimal starter kits that give you just evil-mode to start.
      - llm_trw 2y ago
        I literally said you can use evil mode to edit text. But trying to use vim inspired motion and editing in other modes is a terrible idea. Just learn how Emacs does it and stop thinking of everything as text. There is usually deeper semantic meaning behind the syntax that an Emacs mode will let you edit directly.
    - devjab 2y ago
      Doomemacs was everything I wanted Neovim to be for me personally. I know it’s a big war on the web, but for some of us evil mode emacs is the easy way to use vim motions. The only real disadvantage for me is that it’s significantly easier to run Neovim on windows (work).
    - Y_Y 2y ago
      If you want to write English using kanji I recommend starting here: https://www.zompist.com/yingzi/yingzi.htm https://www.zompist.com/yingzi/yingzi.htm
rgreekguy 2y ago
Also no Python, all Common Lisp.
manx 2y ago
I loved qutebrowser, but many pages didn't work because of the rendering engine. That made me go back to Firefox.
- rnhmjoj 2y ago
  The engine is QtWebEngine, which is essentially Chromium without the proprietary stuff. It may a be a bit outdated, but I've never seen a page not being rendered properly. Maybe you used it way back when the default engine was QtWebKit.
  - manx 2y ago
    Interesting. I'll give it another try.
BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
As someone who used Qute for a long time: * Python is much slower than SBCL (yes, even if rendering is done by Blink); including the lack of threading * Bookmarks are pure crap, they don't have tags nor directories to sort them better * Less hackable (e.g. something that should be possible in Nyxt: https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/3933 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/3933) * Massive gaps: https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/2328 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/2328 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/2492 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/2492 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/5731 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/5731 (!!!) * Per domain/URL settings never progressed further than the initial batch of properties: https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/3636 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/3636 * Adblocking is better than hostfile but still missing a lot compared to uBlock (https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/6480 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/6480). No script blocking matrix like uBlock "advanced mode" at all. My impression is that it has been stuck in bug fixing/dependency churn for a long time now. Switched to Firefox while waiting for Nyxt to be usable (apparently, Nyxt 4 will be it).
- wkat4242 2y ago
  Nyxt does have ublock origin? It would be a must have for me too.
  - BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
    Not yet, but Nyxt 4 is supposed to support WebExtensions.
    - wkat4242 2y ago
      Nice!! Then I can also use my password manager and more. Will deffo give it a try then. I hope it'll come soon.
- treeshateorcs 2y ago
  you can redirect in QB. this is how i do it (from my config): def redirect(info: interceptor.Request): if info.request_url.host() == "en.m.wikipedia.org": new_url = QUrl(info.request_url) new_url.setHost("en.wikipedia.org") try: info.redirect(new_url) except interceptors.RedirectFailedException: pass
anonzzzies 2y ago
For me; CL/SBCL. It is more fun for me.

llm_trw 2y ago

Vim vs Emacs bindings for one.

yasser_kaddoura 2y ago
You can configure both to use either. List of emacs-like config in Qutebrowser: https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/blob/main/doc/help/configuring.asciidoc#emacs-like-config https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/blob/main/doc/hel...
- llm_trw 2y ago
  Like always it's a second class citizen. I spend a stupid 6 months trying to use emacs like vim. Emacs isn't a text editor. If you need to edit text as a rectangle of characters then you can drop in evil mode. Expecting to use emacs control characters from evil mode it a bit like using Kanji to write English.
  - jolmg 2y ago
    It was my experience too that it's better to commit to using Emacs like Emacs. `C-x SPC` is the Emacs way to select a rectangle of characters.
  - emptysongglass 2y ago
    Evil (VIM emulation mode in Emacs) does not in any way behave like a second-class citizen. I use evil every single day and it's fantastic. Emacs is a text editor, yes, among other things. If anyone is reading this who hasn't tried Emacs, don't let takes like this spoil you giving Emacs a try. Doom Emacs is a fantastic experience to get started but there are more minimal starter kits that give you just evil-mode to start.
    - llm_trw 2y ago
      I literally said you can use evil mode to edit text. But trying to use vim inspired motion and editing in other modes is a terrible idea. Just learn how Emacs does it and stop thinking of everything as text. There is usually deeper semantic meaning behind the syntax that an Emacs mode will let you edit directly.
  - devjab 2y ago
    Doomemacs was everything I wanted Neovim to be for me personally. I know it’s a big war on the web, but for some of us evil mode emacs is the easy way to use vim motions. The only real disadvantage for me is that it’s significantly easier to run Neovim on windows (work).
  - Y_Y 2y ago
    If you want to write English using kanji I recommend starting here: https://www.zompist.com/yingzi/yingzi.htm https://www.zompist.com/yingzi/yingzi.htm

rgreekguy 2y ago

Also no Python, all Common Lisp.

manx 2y ago

I loved qutebrowser, but many pages didn't work because of the rendering engine. That made me go back to Firefox.

rnhmjoj 2y ago
The engine is QtWebEngine, which is essentially Chromium without the proprietary stuff. It may a be a bit outdated, but I've never seen a page not being rendered properly. Maybe you used it way back when the default engine was QtWebKit.
- manx 2y ago
  Interesting. I'll give it another try.

BoingBoomTschak 2y ago

As someone who used Qute for a long time: * Python is much slower than SBCL (yes, even if rendering is done by Blink); including the lack of threading * Bookmarks are pure crap, they don't have tags nor directories to sort them better * Less hackable (e.g. something that should be possible in Nyxt: https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/3933 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/3933) * Massive gaps: https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/2328 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/2328 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/2492 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/2492 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/5731 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/5731 (!!!) * Per domain/URL settings never progressed further than the initial batch of properties: https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/3636 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/3636 * Adblocking is better than hostfile but still missing a lot compared to uBlock (https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/6480 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/6480). No script blocking matrix like uBlock "advanced mode" at all. My impression is that it has been stuck in bug fixing/dependency churn for a long time now. Switched to Firefox while waiting for Nyxt to be usable (apparently, Nyxt 4 will be it).

wkat4242 2y ago
Nyxt does have ublock origin? It would be a must have for me too.
- BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
  Not yet, but Nyxt 4 is supposed to support WebExtensions.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    Nice!! Then I can also use my password manager and more. Will deffo give it a try then. I hope it'll come soon.
treeshateorcs 2y ago
you can redirect in QB. this is how i do it (from my config): def redirect(info: interceptor.Request): if info.request_url.host() == "en.m.wikipedia.org": new_url = QUrl(info.request_url) new_url.setHost("en.wikipedia.org") try: info.redirect(new_url) except interceptors.RedirectFailedException: pass

anonzzzies 2y ago

For me; CL/SBCL. It is more fun for me.