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Just want to caution everyone to not jump to conclusions. Remember when Bob Lee was shot in San Francisco and everyone assumed it was because of how unsafe San

Just want to caution everyone to not jump to conclusions. Remember when Bob Lee was shot in San Francisco and everyone assumed it was because of how unsafe San Francisco is? And then it turned out to be another tech exec? Beyond the one motive we can think of, this person (like any person) had other things going on in their life. We have no idea what the motive was until the killer is found.

Kye 2y ago
There isn't a propaganda machine trying to make Manhattan look dangerous, so I don't think anyone thought this was random.
- cpitman 2y ago
  Sure, but there's a lot of speculation that it was a wronged customer. It could have been someone he works with. It could have been someone from his personal life. People who are not Healthcare CEO's also are murdered, there are lots of possible motives. We don't even know that the killer got the right person.
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    > We don't even know that the killer got the right person. The rest I agree with but this part we know, right? CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are not randomly gunned down... It 100% could have been anyone that committed this crime but they 100% got the right person...
    - nozzlegear 2y ago
      > CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are not randomly gunned down... Why not? I don't think random chance really cares about a person's occupation, it's just more unlikely because there are fewer of them.
- vundercind 2y ago
  There's an ongoing "all the big liberal cities are scary" vibe in much media that's been internalized by a large proportion of the population. I know multiple people (and have myself experienced this) who've been greeted with warnings and concern from relatives when traveling to major cities... when those cities have violent crime rates far lower than the places they/we live. Like, a fifth as much or lower. It's still "common knowledge" that e.g. Manhattan is way more dangerous than a "safe" red state suburban/exurban county (LOL, very not necessarily true) and that the largest cities must be way more dangerous than small and mid-sized cities (also very not necessarily true).
  - busterarm 2y ago
    As someone who lived in NYC all the way from the early 80s up until 2 years ago and still has to travel there regularly for business, NYC is a lot closer to how it was in the mid-80s than any other point during that period. Especially post-9/11 up until COVID it was practically Disneyland. You had little chance of being a victim of random crime in the vast majority of city neighborhoods or on the subway. That's certainly not true anymore. (Caveat: In 2009 I was drive-by shot at on gang initiation night on 96th St & Columbus Ave in Manhattan. Yes, it happened, but place and time are important factors.) Also we've seen a return of large storefront vacancy numbers in Manhattan. Where I live now people truly do not lock their doors. Most garage doors in my neighborhood stay open 24/7.
    - vundercind 2y ago
      I think to some degree the problem is a combo of some overestimating among part of the population (driven in part by recall of actual historical crime rates, and by anti-"blue"-city news media) of how dangerous big cities are, but also a huge failure to appreciate how dangerous lots of non-big-city places in the US are. It's not entirely that big US cities are necessarily super-safe (they're largely not, if you compare to international peers) but that lots of non-big-city parts of the US are shockingly dangerous, including many parts that folks don't expect to be. > Where I live now people truly do not lock their doors. Most garage doors in my neighborhood stay open 24/7. Rich suburban and small towns—and I mean where the whole area's kinda rich, not just a few neighborhoods—are in fact the sort of safe that lots of people incorrectly assume all suburbs and small towns are. I know how it is, I (now) live in one of those too, so Manhattan is in-fact more dangerous than where I am (these days). :-) Like, my kid's neurologist lives just up our street and there's a country club every half mile, it seems like. Yeah, this particular place is quite safe. Go figure, if there's vanishingly little poverty around there's also very little violent crime. But lots of US suburbs, rural towns, small suburban towns, and smaller cities are really, really poor and there doesn't (any more? Maybe ever?) seem to be some kind of aw-shucks folksiness of attitude that effectively counters the effects of that—they're just as crime-ridden and dangerous as you'd expect, from the poverty stats.
- BobAliceInATree 2y ago
  There's literally propaganda on Fox News going on right now blaming or at least connecting this to undocumented migrants. https://bsky.app/profile/justinbaragona.bsky.social/post/3lcimbrsaa22p https://bsky.app/profile/justinbaragona.bsky.social/post/3lc...
traeregan 2y ago
> Remember when Bob Lee was shot in San Francisco Bob Lee was stabbed.

Kye 2y ago

There isn't a propaganda machine trying to make Manhattan look dangerous, so I don't think anyone thought this was random.

cpitman 2y ago
Sure, but there's a lot of speculation that it was a wronged customer. It could have been someone he works with. It could have been someone from his personal life. People who are not Healthcare CEO's also are murdered, there are lots of possible motives. We don't even know that the killer got the right person.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  > We don't even know that the killer got the right person. The rest I agree with but this part we know, right? CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are not randomly gunned down... It 100% could have been anyone that committed this crime but they 100% got the right person...
  - nozzlegear 2y ago
    > CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are not randomly gunned down... Why not? I don't think random chance really cares about a person's occupation, it's just more unlikely because there are fewer of them.
vundercind 2y ago
There's an ongoing "all the big liberal cities are scary" vibe in much media that's been internalized by a large proportion of the population. I know multiple people (and have myself experienced this) who've been greeted with warnings and concern from relatives when traveling to major cities... when those cities have violent crime rates far lower than the places they/we live. Like, a fifth as much or lower. It's still "common knowledge" that e.g. Manhattan is way more dangerous than a "safe" red state suburban/exurban county (LOL, very not necessarily true) and that the largest cities must be way more dangerous than small and mid-sized cities (also very not necessarily true).
- busterarm 2y ago
  As someone who lived in NYC all the way from the early 80s up until 2 years ago and still has to travel there regularly for business, NYC is a lot closer to how it was in the mid-80s than any other point during that period. Especially post-9/11 up until COVID it was practically Disneyland. You had little chance of being a victim of random crime in the vast majority of city neighborhoods or on the subway. That's certainly not true anymore. (Caveat: In 2009 I was drive-by shot at on gang initiation night on 96th St & Columbus Ave in Manhattan. Yes, it happened, but place and time are important factors.) Also we've seen a return of large storefront vacancy numbers in Manhattan. Where I live now people truly do not lock their doors. Most garage doors in my neighborhood stay open 24/7.
  - vundercind 2y ago
    I think to some degree the problem is a combo of some overestimating among part of the population (driven in part by recall of actual historical crime rates, and by anti-"blue"-city news media) of how dangerous big cities are, but also a huge failure to appreciate how dangerous lots of non-big-city places in the US are. It's not entirely that big US cities are necessarily super-safe (they're largely not, if you compare to international peers) but that lots of non-big-city parts of the US are shockingly dangerous, including many parts that folks don't expect to be. > Where I live now people truly do not lock their doors. Most garage doors in my neighborhood stay open 24/7. Rich suburban and small towns—and I mean where the whole area's kinda rich, not just a few neighborhoods—are in fact the sort of safe that lots of people incorrectly assume all suburbs and small towns are. I know how it is, I (now) live in one of those too, so Manhattan is in-fact more dangerous than where I am (these days). :-) Like, my kid's neurologist lives just up our street and there's a country club every half mile, it seems like. Yeah, this particular place is quite safe. Go figure, if there's vanishingly little poverty around there's also very little violent crime. But lots of US suburbs, rural towns, small suburban towns, and smaller cities are really, really poor and there doesn't (any more? Maybe ever?) seem to be some kind of aw-shucks folksiness of attitude that effectively counters the effects of that—they're just as crime-ridden and dangerous as you'd expect, from the poverty stats.
BobAliceInATree 2y ago
There's literally propaganda on Fox News going on right now blaming or at least connecting this to undocumented migrants. https://bsky.app/profile/justinbaragona.bsky.social/post/3lcimbrsaa22p https://bsky.app/profile/justinbaragona.bsky.social/post/3lc...

traeregan 2y ago

> Remember when Bob Lee was shot in San Francisco Bob Lee was stabbed.