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Also, here's Resig's take on feature detection circa '07: "Yawwwwnnnnn.... this is, quite possibly, the most inane set of ramblings set up by someone who has o

by gilini 14y ago

Also, here's Resig's take on feature detection circa '07: "Yawwwwnnnnn.... this is, quite possibly, the most inane set of ramblings set up by someone who has obviously never created a JavaScript library of any kind, nor has used JavaScript code in any sort of production environment." https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.javascript/QVlJ0bzObmo/tftosTAr0lYJ https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.javascript/QVlJ0bz... >> Do you have any idea how many agents jQuery will identify as IE? >The ones we care about? I wonder why jQuery eventually turned to feature testing...

jeresig 14y ago
I think that post has less to do with my opinions of feature testing and more to do with the environment presented by that usergroup. As to why jQuery moved to feature testing, we discussed that in the jQuery 1.3 release notes: http://docs.jquery.com/Release:jQuery_1.3 http://docs.jquery.com/Release:jQuery_1.3
- gilini 14y ago
  Well, you did respond to the code critiques after all, so that makes it about jQuery's source. But I do agree that your opinion was biased by the behavior of the people participating that discussion (if that's what you meant). Nonetheless, IMO, a community leader should be able to deal with criticism, and I don't recall reading personal attacks. As of your link, I was being sarcastic.
  - jeresig 14y ago
    I wish I could say that I haven't been personally attacked by them, unfortunately it has been rather extensive and ongoing. Thankfully I've been able to avoid most of it by not visiting clj since 2008-ish and blocking choice Twitter users. Sometimes is trickles back up to me from people letting me know what's going on. I'm 100% fine with code criticism - I think you'll find no JS library more open to it than the jQuery project, we've shifted the code base many times over the years making large quality/performance/API improvements based upon criticism. That being said I have no interest in talking with people - valid code criticism or not - if they're personally attacking me as well.
    - gilini 14y ago
      So you do agree that browser sniffing is a short-sighted method to test for browser capabities and that clj has been preaching on it since 07? I'm not judging or anything, but sticking around on clj and trying to argument could have been very beneficial for both jQuery anc clj itself. There are ways of ignoring people in usenet, you know. Also, Juriy, whom you cite in the book's preface, was a regular there long before his website really took off. That means you didn't dislike every member ;)
      - pbiggar 14y ago
        He just wrote a post about being attacked, and you attack him? (Perhaps I'm misreading your tone, but it seems to be really aggressive)
        duko2 14y ago
        Let's just stifle real discussion so we can be sure no aggressive statements are made and no one's feelings get hurt. The nannying influence of people like you is poisonous to a community. Your own comment is a veiled but difficult-to-analyse attack. Your weak observation asks us cow to your vision so that we will all respect one another and feel good about ourselves. You do not respect the technical aspect of this community which would value truth and quality discussion over feeling.
        pbiggar 14y ago
        Or perhaps, lets behave like adults and have adult conversations with other adults.
        duko2 14y ago
        Lets be 'adults', huh? I'm not surprised that your response would have emotional and vague language. What does that mean 'lets behave like adults'?
        gilini 14y ago
anthonyb 14y ago
What's the story with that David Mark guy? Based on the parent to that post (https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.javascript/QVlJ0bzObmo/4yDamQ3ri_QJ https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.javascript/QVlJ0bz...) he seems to be mentally ill or something - there's about three pages of stream-of-consciousness ranting. Or maybe I just haven't been on usenet news for a while...

by gilini 14y ago

jeresig 14y ago

I think that post has less to do with my opinions of feature testing and more to do with the environment presented by that usergroup. As to why jQuery moved to feature testing, we discussed that in the jQuery 1.3 release notes: http://docs.jquery.com/Release:jQuery_1.3 http://docs.jquery.com/Release:jQuery_1.3

gilini 14y ago
Well, you did respond to the code critiques after all, so that makes it about jQuery's source. But I do agree that your opinion was biased by the behavior of the people participating that discussion (if that's what you meant). Nonetheless, IMO, a community leader should be able to deal with criticism, and I don't recall reading personal attacks. As of your link, I was being sarcastic.
- jeresig 14y ago
  I wish I could say that I haven't been personally attacked by them, unfortunately it has been rather extensive and ongoing. Thankfully I've been able to avoid most of it by not visiting clj since 2008-ish and blocking choice Twitter users. Sometimes is trickles back up to me from people letting me know what's going on. I'm 100% fine with code criticism - I think you'll find no JS library more open to it than the jQuery project, we've shifted the code base many times over the years making large quality/performance/API improvements based upon criticism. That being said I have no interest in talking with people - valid code criticism or not - if they're personally attacking me as well.
  - gilini 14y ago
    So you do agree that browser sniffing is a short-sighted method to test for browser capabities and that clj has been preaching on it since 07? I'm not judging or anything, but sticking around on clj and trying to argument could have been very beneficial for both jQuery anc clj itself. There are ways of ignoring people in usenet, you know. Also, Juriy, whom you cite in the book's preface, was a regular there long before his website really took off. That means you didn't dislike every member ;)
    - pbiggar 14y ago
      He just wrote a post about being attacked, and you attack him? (Perhaps I'm misreading your tone, but it seems to be really aggressive)
      - duko2 14y ago
        Let's just stifle real discussion so we can be sure no aggressive statements are made and no one's feelings get hurt. The nannying influence of people like you is poisonous to a community. Your own comment is a veiled but difficult-to-analyse attack. Your weak observation asks us cow to your vision so that we will all respect one another and feel good about ourselves. You do not respect the technical aspect of this community which would value truth and quality discussion over feeling.
        pbiggar 14y ago
        Or perhaps, lets behave like adults and have adult conversations with other adults.
        duko2 14y ago
        Lets be 'adults', huh? I'm not surprised that your response would have emotional and vague language. What does that mean 'lets behave like adults'?
      - gilini 14y ago

anthonyb 14y ago

What's the story with that David Mark guy? Based on the parent to that post (https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.javascript/QVlJ0bzObmo/4yDamQ3ri_QJ https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.javascript/QVlJ0bz...) he seems to be mentally ill or something - there's about three pages of stream-of-consciousness ranting. Or maybe I just haven't been on usenet news for a while...