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I think they are wrong. We are fleeing X because a lot of right winger's mental model for appropriate political discussion with liberals is mostly mean trollish

I think they are wrong. We are fleeing X because a lot of right winger's mental model for appropriate political discussion with liberals is mostly mean trollish harassment, purposefully putting people down and trying to make people feel bad so they can "drink liberal tears". It's not good faith counterpoints. Avoiding that is not censorship of ideas.

valval 2y ago
Would you be able to link some examples of this happening? I think giving one or two examples should be sufficient, if they have high engagement.
- paulgb 2y ago
  The taunt of “your body, my choice” in the days after the election (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/11/business/your-body-my-choice-movement-election https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/11/business/your-body-my-cho...) Kasey links to some examples of how prevalent anon accounts spewing outright racism is in this thread from today: https://x.com/kaseyklimes/status/1862323859321483316 https://x.com/kaseyklimes/status/1862323859321483316
  - valval 2y ago
    By googling “your body my choice” I can find pages of left wing news articles but no examples whatsoever. Did you miss the fact that X is a platform based on free speech? People are allowed to out themselves as whatever they want, which is a good thing. The examples you’re linking to have 0 likes on them, so I wouldn’t be all that worried about anonymous teenager provocateurs who are trying to get a reaction out of people.
    - dom96 2y ago
      > Did you miss the fact that X is a platform based on free speech? How can you say this with a straight face? I am genuinely baffled by people who hold this view. Just because you say that your platform is all about “free speech” doesn’t mean it is and there are clear actions that X/Elon took which go against that claim. The primary of which being that posting “cisgender” gets your post flagged and demoted in the algorithm and that Elonjet was banned. How can you seriously claim free speech absolutism when there are direct examples showing the very opposite.
      - valval 2y ago
        The algorithm is open source, so you should be able to point out to me where in the code this trick is being done. Of course you can’t, since you’re just a conspiracy theorist.
        dom96 2y ago
        The algorithm that has been open sourced hasn’t been updated in over a year https://github.com/twitter/the-algorithm/commits/main/ https://github.com/twitter/the-algorithm/commits/main/ You’re the conspiracy theorist. Conspiracies go hand in hand with your ideologies.
        valval 2y ago
        They don't owe the repo any updates, if there are none. As long as you have no evidence of foul play, you're just a run of the mill conspiracy theorist.
        dom96 2y ago
        There is so much evidence. https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/06/21/musk-says-cisgender-and-cis-are-now-slurs-on-twitter/?utm_campaign=socialflowForbesMainTwitter&utm_source=ForbesMainTwitter&utm_medium=social https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/06/21/musk-sa... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElonJet#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElonJet#History Where is your evidence?
    - paulgb 2y ago
      97 million views, 50k likes. https://x.com/NickJFuentes/status/1854015641218355621?lang=en https://x.com/NickJFuentes/status/1854015641218355621?lang=e... X is not actually a free speech platform (e.g. https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/26/24255298/elon-musk-x-blocks-jd-vance-dossier https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/26/24255298/elon-musk-x-bloc...), that’s just a claim they use to dismiss any responsibility for the nazi crap their algorithm promotes. Personally I’m spending less time there not because of overt racism specifically, but because even innocent posts end up pulled by trolls into adversarial, low-information stupidity. I’m not trying to convince you to join Bluesky though, if you prefer X I think both Bluesky and X are better if you continue to spend your time there!
      - valval 2y ago
        There’s double the number of likes on a comment calling the guy an idiot there. Free speech working as intended. Vance dossier had his personal information like address and phone number, and was deleted for doxxing.

valval 2y ago

Would you be able to link some examples of this happening? I think giving one or two examples should be sufficient, if they have high engagement.

paulgb 2y ago
The taunt of “your body, my choice” in the days after the election (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/11/business/your-body-my-choice-movement-election https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/11/business/your-body-my-cho...) Kasey links to some examples of how prevalent anon accounts spewing outright racism is in this thread from today: https://x.com/kaseyklimes/status/1862323859321483316 https://x.com/kaseyklimes/status/1862323859321483316
- valval 2y ago
  By googling “your body my choice” I can find pages of left wing news articles but no examples whatsoever. Did you miss the fact that X is a platform based on free speech? People are allowed to out themselves as whatever they want, which is a good thing. The examples you’re linking to have 0 likes on them, so I wouldn’t be all that worried about anonymous teenager provocateurs who are trying to get a reaction out of people.
  - dom96 2y ago
    > Did you miss the fact that X is a platform based on free speech? How can you say this with a straight face? I am genuinely baffled by people who hold this view. Just because you say that your platform is all about “free speech” doesn’t mean it is and there are clear actions that X/Elon took which go against that claim. The primary of which being that posting “cisgender” gets your post flagged and demoted in the algorithm and that Elonjet was banned. How can you seriously claim free speech absolutism when there are direct examples showing the very opposite.
    - valval 2y ago
      The algorithm is open source, so you should be able to point out to me where in the code this trick is being done. Of course you can’t, since you’re just a conspiracy theorist.
      - dom96 2y ago
        The algorithm that has been open sourced hasn’t been updated in over a year https://github.com/twitter/the-algorithm/commits/main/ https://github.com/twitter/the-algorithm/commits/main/ You’re the conspiracy theorist. Conspiracies go hand in hand with your ideologies.
        valval 2y ago
        They don't owe the repo any updates, if there are none. As long as you have no evidence of foul play, you're just a run of the mill conspiracy theorist.
        dom96 2y ago
        There is so much evidence. https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/06/21/musk-says-cisgender-and-cis-are-now-slurs-on-twitter/?utm_campaign=socialflowForbesMainTwitter&utm_source=ForbesMainTwitter&utm_medium=social https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/06/21/musk-sa... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElonJet#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElonJet#History Where is your evidence?
  - paulgb 2y ago
    97 million views, 50k likes. https://x.com/NickJFuentes/status/1854015641218355621?lang=en https://x.com/NickJFuentes/status/1854015641218355621?lang=e... X is not actually a free speech platform (e.g. https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/26/24255298/elon-musk-x-blocks-jd-vance-dossier https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/26/24255298/elon-musk-x-bloc...), that’s just a claim they use to dismiss any responsibility for the nazi crap their algorithm promotes. Personally I’m spending less time there not because of overt racism specifically, but because even innocent posts end up pulled by trolls into adversarial, low-information stupidity. I’m not trying to convince you to join Bluesky though, if you prefer X I think both Bluesky and X are better if you continue to spend your time there!
    - valval 2y ago
      There’s double the number of likes on a comment calling the guy an idiot there. Free speech working as intended. Vance dossier had his personal information like address and phone number, and was deleted for doxxing.