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I suspect the biggest factor is speed. After getting used to EV for over a year, every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. If that's the case I'm cur

I suspect the biggest factor is speed. After getting used to EV for over a year, every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. If that's the case I'm curious to see how the numbers compare to other EVs.

nytesky 2y ago
Torque and touchscreens.
- LUmBULtERA 2y ago
  I find the touchscreen actually less distracting and easier to use than the cell phone I had to use in a Honda civic. Also no critical functions need to be done on the touchscreen, they can all be done via physical buttons on the wheel or stocks.
akira2501 2y ago
> every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. You don't do much towing, do you?
- Kiro 2y ago
  99.9% of drivers will never tow anything in their life.
  - akira2501 2y ago
    > 99.9% of drivers I think you've just made that up; however, I am willing to stipulate that 99.9% of Hacker News posters will never tow anything. I always forget how out of touch the audience here is.
  - connicpu 2y ago
    That might be a little high given how many small boats exist in this country, but definitely agree the vast majority will never tow.
  - roughly 2y ago
    Not that one could tell by their vehicle choice, of course.
- BLKNSLVR 2y ago
  Are you my in-laws? We had to stop talking to them about the possibility of buying an EV because they kept bringing up irrational arguments like this one. No matter how many times we reminded them that, in the two-plus decades we've been driving, we may have towed something maybe twice. Maybe. One of our existing cars doesn't even have a towbar. The horror! The irrational hatred / fear is real.
kybernetikos 2y ago
The worst 23 models according to the study are here: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 I'm not sure which of them are evs, but you could work it out fairly easily. Even if many of them are, it still looks to me like tesla is doing poorly by this metric.
- Tempest1981 2y ago
  None of the others are EVs, except maybe a small % of Kia Souls
- r00fus 2y ago
  Mostly non-EVs. In fact the only EVs are both Tesla.
HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
I heard EVs are very heavy, how can they be faster?
- MBCook 2y ago
  EVs have full torque at 0 RPM so they are capable of accelerating much faster than an average ICE. The manufacturer can alter based on software, how much current the electrical system is capable of supplying, how powerful the motors are, etc. But even “normal non-performance” EVs that aren’t designed for performance like a Chevy Bolt come off the line way quicker than an equivalent normal car, even if they’re full 0 to 60 time isn’t that much faster.
  - BLKNSLVR 2y ago
    I recently drove a 2014 Nissan Leaf. Not exactly a performance oriented EV, and the acceleration it's capable of is 'nice'. Not crazy, but was unexpectedly good given it's 10 years old and only trying to be an EV rather than a "hey look I'm an EV!!!".
- LUmBULtERA 2y ago
  Eh, my neighbors Honda Pilots and other friends Toyota Siennas are heavier than my Y.
- thebruce87m 2y ago
  People love to say that EVs are very heavy, or are much, much heavier, massively heavier and so on. This paints the wrong picture in people’s heads. The same people will use the Hummer EV as an example, but most people aren’t driving that. https://thedriven.io/2024/05/03/are-evs-really-much-heavier-than-their-ice-equivalents/amp/ https://thedriven.io/2024/05/03/are-evs-really-much-heavier-... > full electric versions are only around 10% to 15% heavier than their direct ICE equivalent To put it into perspective, from the table, you could load an ICE with passengers and some luggage and it would weigh the same as the EV equivalent with just the driver.
  - Ferret7446 2y ago

nytesky 2y ago

Torque and touchscreens.

LUmBULtERA 2y ago
I find the touchscreen actually less distracting and easier to use than the cell phone I had to use in a Honda civic. Also no critical functions need to be done on the touchscreen, they can all be done via physical buttons on the wheel or stocks.

akira2501 2y ago

> every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. You don't do much towing, do you?

Kiro 2y ago
99.9% of drivers will never tow anything in their life.
- akira2501 2y ago
  > 99.9% of drivers I think you've just made that up; however, I am willing to stipulate that 99.9% of Hacker News posters will never tow anything. I always forget how out of touch the audience here is.
- connicpu 2y ago
  That might be a little high given how many small boats exist in this country, but definitely agree the vast majority will never tow.
- roughly 2y ago
  Not that one could tell by their vehicle choice, of course.
BLKNSLVR 2y ago
Are you my in-laws? We had to stop talking to them about the possibility of buying an EV because they kept bringing up irrational arguments like this one. No matter how many times we reminded them that, in the two-plus decades we've been driving, we may have towed something maybe twice. Maybe. One of our existing cars doesn't even have a towbar. The horror! The irrational hatred / fear is real.

kybernetikos 2y ago

The worst 23 models according to the study are here: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 I'm not sure which of them are evs, but you could work it out fairly easily. Even if many of them are, it still looks to me like tesla is doing poorly by this metric.

Tempest1981 2y ago
None of the others are EVs, except maybe a small % of Kia Souls
r00fus 2y ago
Mostly non-EVs. In fact the only EVs are both Tesla.

HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago

I heard EVs are very heavy, how can they be faster?

MBCook 2y ago
EVs have full torque at 0 RPM so they are capable of accelerating much faster than an average ICE. The manufacturer can alter based on software, how much current the electrical system is capable of supplying, how powerful the motors are, etc. But even “normal non-performance” EVs that aren’t designed for performance like a Chevy Bolt come off the line way quicker than an equivalent normal car, even if they’re full 0 to 60 time isn’t that much faster.
- BLKNSLVR 2y ago
  I recently drove a 2014 Nissan Leaf. Not exactly a performance oriented EV, and the acceleration it's capable of is 'nice'. Not crazy, but was unexpectedly good given it's 10 years old and only trying to be an EV rather than a "hey look I'm an EV!!!".
LUmBULtERA 2y ago
Eh, my neighbors Honda Pilots and other friends Toyota Siennas are heavier than my Y.
thebruce87m 2y ago
People love to say that EVs are very heavy, or are much, much heavier, massively heavier and so on. This paints the wrong picture in people’s heads. The same people will use the Hummer EV as an example, but most people aren’t driving that. https://thedriven.io/2024/05/03/are-evs-really-much-heavier-than-their-ice-equivalents/amp/ https://thedriven.io/2024/05/03/are-evs-really-much-heavier-... > full electric versions are only around 10% to 15% heavier than their direct ICE equivalent To put it into perspective, from the table, you could load an ICE with passengers and some luggage and it would weigh the same as the EV equivalent with just the driver.
- Ferret7446 2y ago