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Russia broke their own agreements (eg: 1994 Budapest Memorandum), invaded and is waging war on Ukraine, and you are here blaming the US for the loss of Ukrainia

Russia broke their own agreements (eg: 1994 Budapest Memorandum), invaded and is waging war on Ukraine, and you are here blaming the US for the loss of Ukrainian lives. You say that you hate Russian imperialism, but then start making excuses for their actions and deflecting blame on to others. If you really had an issue with imperialism, you'd be attacking Russia at least as hard as you attack the US. I don't think you have a problem with imperialism, just with imperialism done by a side you hate. Russia can do whatever they want, even invade another country, and for you that is acceptable or not as bad. Everyone has their bias, but you're too far gone... It's a bit sad to be honest. Ps: I recommend checking where Syria, Mali, Niger, etc, are on the map. Hint: Not near the Russian border.

medo-bear 2y ago
I could ask you the same thing about your feeling about US imperilism. Unlike probably you, I personally felt the effects of US imperilism and its destruction, so yes maybe I do have a bias. Still, Russian imperialism is infantile compared to that of the US. Tell Russia to look at the map where its borders are? Are you kidding? How many US citizens live in the countries they invaded? And no I do not support Russian imperialism, but nor do I support any government that does someone elses bidding, esspecially when they force their own people to go to war for someone elses interests. Ukraine really is a NATO proxy, and that is what Russia invaded. And do not pretend that Ukraine is united against Russia. The very simple fact is that a significant portion of Ukranians supported and supports Russia. It is good you mentioned Syria. Russia intervened to save Syria against from same fate that happened to Libya - ie US financed overthrow by Islamic terrorist groups and criminal elements. Both Syria and Libya were at that time strategic Russian allies. I think it is very likely that the US was so pissed off that Russia dared to get in its way in Syria that they intervened in Ukraine.
- luuurker 2y ago
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        People that overthrew the government were very much NATO proxies. Leading groups such as the Right Sector had open Nazi sympathies. Plenty of Ukranian refugees around me. They wouldnt fight for either Zelnski/NATO or Putin. They consider themselves lucky for escaping and say that majority of people there do not want to fight but are forced to. They are terified that Zelenski is lobbying western governmentsbto send these men back to Ukraine as cannon fodder. Why are so many Ukranians not as keen to fight as you apparently are?
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        > Haha nice to see you come out of the closet. Anti fascist guerillas of WW2 would beg to differ. I my self think it cowardly to hate the other guy on the opposing side just because he was thrown in to fight. Being forced to die for someone elses interests and pocket is a terrible fate, and this applies to Russians and Ukranians alike. The list is obviously longer than just ultra nationalists, but the anti fascist weren't exactly fighting for some international community (eg: partisans in Italy). They would fight the fascists and if invaded by others, they would fight them too. They were fighting for themselves and to liberate their country. The point, which maybe wasn't clear, is that it's those with more "extreme" views that stand up, not the average person that wants to run away. The early groups in Ukraine after Russia invaded were not just neo nazis. They even had groups of anarchists fighting in the east. > For some reason none of those Azov fighters that rubbed bacon on their bullets because the Chechens were coming are so brave and loud now. I wonder what happened Mostly dead, I assume. For all I care, they can all disappear. Them and the "ruscists". But you missed the point here too... How many units were named after Azov before and after the siege? Do you think it's a good idea to create conditions for them to be "glorified" since they were sacrificing themselves (whether you agree or not is besides the point) if the intention is to denazify a country?

medo-bear 2y ago

I could ask you the same thing about your feeling about US imperilism. Unlike probably you, I personally felt the effects of US imperilism and its destruction, so yes maybe I do have a bias. Still, Russian imperialism is infantile compared to that of the US. Tell Russia to look at the map where its borders are? Are you kidding? How many US citizens live in the countries they invaded? And no I do not support Russian imperialism, but nor do I support any government that does someone elses bidding, esspecially when they force their own people to go to war for someone elses interests. Ukraine really is a NATO proxy, and that is what Russia invaded. And do not pretend that Ukraine is united against Russia. The very simple fact is that a significant portion of Ukranians supported and supports Russia. It is good you mentioned Syria. Russia intervened to save Syria against from same fate that happened to Libya - ie US financed overthrow by Islamic terrorist groups and criminal elements. Both Syria and Libya were at that time strategic Russian allies. I think it is very likely that the US was so pissed off that Russia dared to get in its way in Syria that they intervened in Ukraine.

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      People that overthrew the government were very much NATO proxies. Leading groups such as the Right Sector had open Nazi sympathies. Plenty of Ukranian refugees around me. They wouldnt fight for either Zelnski/NATO or Putin. They consider themselves lucky for escaping and say that majority of people there do not want to fight but are forced to. They are terified that Zelenski is lobbying western governmentsbto send these men back to Ukraine as cannon fodder. Why are so many Ukranians not as keen to fight as you apparently are?
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        luuurker 2y ago
        > Haha nice to see you come out of the closet. Anti fascist guerillas of WW2 would beg to differ. I my self think it cowardly to hate the other guy on the opposing side just because he was thrown in to fight. Being forced to die for someone elses interests and pocket is a terrible fate, and this applies to Russians and Ukranians alike. The list is obviously longer than just ultra nationalists, but the anti fascist weren't exactly fighting for some international community (eg: partisans in Italy). They would fight the fascists and if invaded by others, they would fight them too. They were fighting for themselves and to liberate their country. The point, which maybe wasn't clear, is that it's those with more "extreme" views that stand up, not the average person that wants to run away. The early groups in Ukraine after Russia invaded were not just neo nazis. They even had groups of anarchists fighting in the east. > For some reason none of those Azov fighters that rubbed bacon on their bullets because the Chechens were coming are so brave and loud now. I wonder what happened Mostly dead, I assume. For all I care, they can all disappear. Them and the "ruscists". But you missed the point here too... How many units were named after Azov before and after the siege? Do you think it's a good idea to create conditions for them to be "glorified" since they were sacrificing themselves (whether you agree or not is besides the point) if the intention is to denazify a country?