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That would be pretty hard to do since the mRNA "vaccine" neither prevented infection or stopped the spread.

by EricE 2y ago

Krssst 2y ago
It did for the first variants, but then Omicron happened. I see you're calling a vaccine a "vaccine". Noted.
- WillPostForFood 2y ago
  MRNA vaccine is highly effective at reducing symptoms and saving lives of those at high risk (e.g., over 65), but it was never effective at preventing infection or stopping transmission. People who were saying that were somewhere between being over optimistic, and spreading disinformation to try to increase uptake.
  - javagram 2y ago
    Studies showed it decreased infection and transmission against the original strain of Covid.[0] It lost effectiveness against delta and then became nearly ineffective against Omicron (although still helping with reduction of hospitalizations and deaths). Non-mRNA vaccine is available now (Novavax) and the effectiveness, or lack thereof, seems similar. [0] https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/07/vaccination-against-covid-19-prevents-breakthrough-infections.html https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/07/vaccination-a...
  - gadders 2y ago
    It was also more dangerous to healthy young men than just getting COVID, due to myocarditis.
    - Marsymars 2y ago
      This isn't generally true. It does seem wise to preferentially get the Pfizer boosters over the Moderna boosters for lower dosage though, particularly if you're a young man.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      Absolutely not true.
      - gadders 2y ago
        Looks like we have a science denier: https://www.drvinayprasad.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified https://www.drvinayprasad.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-s... "It is now clear for men <40, dose 2 and dose 3 of Pfizer have more myocarditis than sars-cov-2 infection, and this is true for dose 1 and dose 2 of Moderna."
        maxerickson 2y ago
        You need to analyze the total risk of both options to state that getting vaccinated is more dangerous, not just the risk of myocarditis following each.
        gadders 2y ago
        I need to state the risk of COVID in a healthy male under 40? That's self evident.
        maxerickson 2y ago
        If you want to say you are doing science, then yes, you need to define what you mean by "healthy" and make the case that the harm from vaccination was greater in your group than the harm from infection. If you want to say your subjective group is self evidently better off with some option, then don't say you are making a scientific argument.
        gadders 2y ago
        Unfortunately I don't have the budget to fund a large RCT. It is also worrying that the companies and health authorities with the budgets haven't done so either. Unless there is some unknown, long term effect from COVID that is yet to manifest itself, it is self-evident that the comment that "It was also more dangerous to healthy young men than just getting COVID, due to myocarditis." is "Absolutely not true" is incorrect.
seattle_spring 2y ago
I assume they're talking about attempts to eradicate it in the first few weeks when it was thought to only be present in a few people.
InsideOutSanta 2y ago
The current mRNA vaccines are moderately effective at preventing Covid infections, about on par with current flu vaccines. Not all vaccines are equally effective, but none of them are 100% effective at preventing infections. The only thing vaccines do is prepare the immune system for an infection. Since SARS-CoV-2 mutations happen a lot faster than (for example) measles, Covid vaccines are a lot less effective - by the time you're infected, the infection is dissimilar enough to what the immune system was prepared for that the preparation is no longer optimal.
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ChrisClark 2y ago
And yet there are still people that think it was supposed to in the first place. Thinking that makes it a failure, at least you don't think it's full of mind control tracking nanobots though. :D Or maybe you are, since you used scare quotes. It's probably too late to share any facts with you at this point...

That would be pretty hard to do since the mRNA "vaccine" neither prevented infection or stopped the spread.

by EricE 2y ago

That would be pretty hard to do since the mRNA "vaccine" neither prevented infection or stopped the spread.

Krssst 2y ago

It did for the first variants, but then Omicron happened. I see you're calling a vaccine a "vaccine". Noted.

WillPostForFood 2y ago
MRNA vaccine is highly effective at reducing symptoms and saving lives of those at high risk (e.g., over 65), but it was never effective at preventing infection or stopping transmission. People who were saying that were somewhere between being over optimistic, and spreading disinformation to try to increase uptake.
- javagram 2y ago
  Studies showed it decreased infection and transmission against the original strain of Covid.[0] It lost effectiveness against delta and then became nearly ineffective against Omicron (although still helping with reduction of hospitalizations and deaths). Non-mRNA vaccine is available now (Novavax) and the effectiveness, or lack thereof, seems similar. [0] https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/07/vaccination-against-covid-19-prevents-breakthrough-infections.html https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/07/vaccination-a...
- gadders 2y ago
  It was also more dangerous to healthy young men than just getting COVID, due to myocarditis.
  - Marsymars 2y ago
    This isn't generally true. It does seem wise to preferentially get the Pfizer boosters over the Moderna boosters for lower dosage though, particularly if you're a young man.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Absolutely not true.
    - gadders 2y ago
      Looks like we have a science denier: https://www.drvinayprasad.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified https://www.drvinayprasad.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-s... "It is now clear for men <40, dose 2 and dose 3 of Pfizer have more myocarditis than sars-cov-2 infection, and this is true for dose 1 and dose 2 of Moderna."
      - maxerickson 2y ago
        You need to analyze the total risk of both options to state that getting vaccinated is more dangerous, not just the risk of myocarditis following each.
        gadders 2y ago
        I need to state the risk of COVID in a healthy male under 40? That's self evident.
        maxerickson 2y ago
        If you want to say you are doing science, then yes, you need to define what you mean by "healthy" and make the case that the harm from vaccination was greater in your group than the harm from infection. If you want to say your subjective group is self evidently better off with some option, then don't say you are making a scientific argument.
        gadders 2y ago
        Unfortunately I don't have the budget to fund a large RCT. It is also worrying that the companies and health authorities with the budgets haven't done so either. Unless there is some unknown, long term effect from COVID that is yet to manifest itself, it is self-evident that the comment that "It was also more dangerous to healthy young men than just getting COVID, due to myocarditis." is "Absolutely not true" is incorrect.

seattle_spring 2y ago

I assume they're talking about attempts to eradicate it in the first few weeks when it was thought to only be present in a few people.

InsideOutSanta 2y ago

The current mRNA vaccines are moderately effective at preventing Covid infections, about on par with current flu vaccines. Not all vaccines are equally effective, but none of them are 100% effective at preventing infections. The only thing vaccines do is prepare the immune system for an infection. Since SARS-CoV-2 mutations happen a lot faster than (for example) measles, Covid vaccines are a lot less effective - by the time you're infected, the infection is dissimilar enough to what the immune system was prepared for that the preparation is no longer optimal.

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ChrisClark 2y ago

And yet there are still people that think it was supposed to in the first place. Thinking that makes it a failure, at least you don't think it's full of mind control tracking nanobots though. :D Or maybe you are, since you used scare quotes. It's probably too late to share any facts with you at this point...