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Logic is a weird one. It has really truly excellent included instruments (such as Alchemy) and effects, but the app itself feels rather outdated. The mixer, whi

Logic is a weird one. It has really truly excellent included instruments (such as Alchemy) and effects, but the app itself feels rather outdated. The mixer, whilst having had some nice features added since Logic 9, is in dire need of an update.

dylan604 2y ago
Wouldn't that be a sign of a product that was purchased by Apple and then left to languish as is with just enough effort to not let it rot?
- selectodude 2y ago
  Apple bought Logic over 20 years ago. I’d be surprised if it shared any code with the pre-acquisition version.
  - srockets 2y ago
    Why not? Current macOS ships code older than that.
- cesaref 2y ago
  I believe the Logic team are still based in Germany, where the original Emagic team that produced Logic were based, so it's not that they are languishing, but an intentional decision has been made (either by them or Apple) to keep this structure. Logic has such a long history, it's not surprising that it shows it's age, and has 'weird' behaviour that you wouldn't choose today. It's got stuff in there from the early 90s, as it started out as a midi sequencer before pulling audio into the product.
butterknife 2y ago
All the AI hubris but Logic still does not do fades or zero crossings when cutting audio clips. And don't get me started on the audio zoom. This is basic stuff! It feels like the audio code was not touched since emagic days.
- NobodyNada 2y ago
  Logic Pro has both of those features: https://support.apple.com/guide/logicpro/edit-fades-lgcpf7c0cd53/10.7/mac/11.0 https://support.apple.com/guide/logicpro/edit-fades-lgcpf7c0... https://support.apple.com/guide/logicpro/snap-edits-to-zero-crossings-lgcp76a73399/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/logicpro/snap-edits-to-zero-...
  - butterknife 2y ago
    I am talking about automatically adding fades and/or automatically snapping to nearest zero crossing when cutting audio to prevent clicks. Every other modern DAW does this automatically. In Logic, you are expected to do this manually every time you do an audio edit. Like it's 2004 again. Edit: added clarification about zero crossings and editing workflow
    - jpc0 2y ago
      This seems like a very weird hill to die on, specifically concidering this is a feature I would want explicitly off and wouldn't care about existing. It's editing 101, check your cuts are at a safe boundry of put in a fade. I've never seen an auto feature do what I want though and need to redo it anyway, so just doing nothing is half as much work. I would much rather complain about lack of AAF support in logic but then again I would never recommend logic to anyone other than for music production work purely because that's the only use case the devs seem to care about.
      - butterknife 2y ago
        You might be diligent to check your cuts in Sample Editor. However when you zoom in in the Arrange the way the waveform is rendered it seems like you are cutting on a zero crossing when in fact you are not. It lies to you and leads you to believe you've done the right thing. I have had the pleasure of working on tracks with dozens of clicks that I had to remove thanks to the laziness of Logic developers, pardon me for dying on the hill and spoiling your view.
newsclues 2y ago
Pros hate UI redesigns
pantulis 2y ago
Pedantic note: Alchemy itself was brought in by Apple's acquisition of Camel Audio. So not Apple acquisitions go wrong.
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dylan604 2y ago

Wouldn't that be a sign of a product that was purchased by Apple and then left to languish as is with just enough effort to not let it rot?

selectodude 2y ago
Apple bought Logic over 20 years ago. I’d be surprised if it shared any code with the pre-acquisition version.
- srockets 2y ago
  Why not? Current macOS ships code older than that.
cesaref 2y ago
I believe the Logic team are still based in Germany, where the original Emagic team that produced Logic were based, so it's not that they are languishing, but an intentional decision has been made (either by them or Apple) to keep this structure. Logic has such a long history, it's not surprising that it shows it's age, and has 'weird' behaviour that you wouldn't choose today. It's got stuff in there from the early 90s, as it started out as a midi sequencer before pulling audio into the product.

butterknife 2y ago

All the AI hubris but Logic still does not do fades or zero crossings when cutting audio clips. And don't get me started on the audio zoom. This is basic stuff! It feels like the audio code was not touched since emagic days.

NobodyNada 2y ago
Logic Pro has both of those features: https://support.apple.com/guide/logicpro/edit-fades-lgcpf7c0cd53/10.7/mac/11.0 https://support.apple.com/guide/logicpro/edit-fades-lgcpf7c0... https://support.apple.com/guide/logicpro/snap-edits-to-zero-crossings-lgcp76a73399/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/logicpro/snap-edits-to-zero-...
- butterknife 2y ago
  I am talking about automatically adding fades and/or automatically snapping to nearest zero crossing when cutting audio to prevent clicks. Every other modern DAW does this automatically. In Logic, you are expected to do this manually every time you do an audio edit. Like it's 2004 again. Edit: added clarification about zero crossings and editing workflow
  - jpc0 2y ago
    This seems like a very weird hill to die on, specifically concidering this is a feature I would want explicitly off and wouldn't care about existing. It's editing 101, check your cuts are at a safe boundry of put in a fade. I've never seen an auto feature do what I want though and need to redo it anyway, so just doing nothing is half as much work. I would much rather complain about lack of AAF support in logic but then again I would never recommend logic to anyone other than for music production work purely because that's the only use case the devs seem to care about.
    - butterknife 2y ago
      You might be diligent to check your cuts in Sample Editor. However when you zoom in in the Arrange the way the waveform is rendered it seems like you are cutting on a zero crossing when in fact you are not. It lies to you and leads you to believe you've done the right thing. I have had the pleasure of working on tracks with dozens of clicks that I had to remove thanks to the laziness of Logic developers, pardon me for dying on the hill and spoiling your view.

newsclues 2y ago

Pros hate UI redesigns

pantulis 2y ago

Pedantic note: Alchemy itself was brought in by Apple's acquisition of Camel Audio. So not Apple acquisitions go wrong.

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