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Sanction for sanction, simple as that. Western countries like to sanction the shit out of China, but they don't like it when then they do it?

ApolloFortyNine 2y ago
First sentence of article. >A few weeks ago, China announced sanctions on Skydio for selling drones to Taiwan, where our only customer today is the National Fire Agency.
- flykespice 2y ago
  ...Yeah? That is pretty much in line with how sanction works in the West. US has sanctioned for decades companies that cooperate economically with "enemy states" (Iran/Cuba/Russia/China), I don't see how China would be different.
  - zarzavat 2y ago
    Indeed, and I'm not sure that China will arrest you when you're travelling in a foreign country, for trading with Taiwan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_case_of_Meng_Wanzhou https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_case_of_Meng_Wanzh...
preisschild 2y ago
Yeah of course, because China is sanctioning them because they are making it harder for the PROC to invade and annex another free country.
- lupire 2y ago
  The USA invaded and annexed lots of free countries. Invading and annexing isn't some weird thing no one usually does. Taiwan is the product of a recent civil war.
  - preisschild 2y ago
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    - flykespice 2y ago
      > Not a single one in the last 100 years Here is a ChatGPT response to you because I wont bother with kneejerk responses: In the last 100 years, the United States has been involved in several military invasions and interventions in various countries. Some notable examples include: Mexico (1914) - U.S. forces occupied Veracruz. Haiti (1915-1934) - U.S. Marines occupied Haiti to stabilize the country. Dominican Republic (1916-1924) - U.S. intervention to restore order and protect American interests. Korea (1950-1953) - U.S. involvement in the Korean War, supporting South Korea against North Korea. Vietnam (1955-1975) - Extensive military involvement in the Vietnam War. Grenada (1983) - U.S. invasion to overthrow the government and restore order. Panama (1989) - Operation Just Cause to depose Manuel Noriega. Iraq (2003) - Invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein, followed by a prolonged military presence. Afghanistan (2001-2021) - Response to the 9/11 attacks, targeting the Taliban and al-Qaeda. This list highlights significant military actions but is not exhaustive, as the U.S. has also conducted numerous smaller operations, interventions, and covert actions in various countries over the years.
      - preisschild 2y ago
        ChatGPT can't even subtract 100? The first 3 examples are over 100 years and most of those were just helping allies. Note that I also said "annex".
  - srbloom 2y ago
    Would you have argued that the American civil war was recent in 1940?
    - hmm37 2y ago
      The Chinese civil war never officially ended. There was no agreement whatsoever, and the ROC never declared itself as separate, etc. Taiwan is simply a province within the ROC, and the ROC still consists of the mainland. That's what the ROC constitution states.
jayyhu 2y ago
Sanction aside, this action is a wake-up call for all US based companies operating in geopolitically sensitive industries that they absolutely need to diversify their supply chain away from China. And in terms of the sanction itself, it’s definitely a reasonable response by China, given the fact that DJI is heavily sanctioned by the US government.
- dtquad 2y ago
  The "sanctions" on DJI are limited to US federal agencies being banned from buying DJI drones. China's move however will be a killing blow to Skydio because China has most likely correctly calculated that US/Western anti-mining sentiments makes it impossible to manufacture batteries. https://dronelife.com/2024/09/10/house-passes-countering-ccp-drones-act/ https://dronelife.com/2024/09/10/house-passes-countering-ccp...
  - themaninthedark 2y ago
    The bigger question is what will the US do if China decides to take the same action wrt EV batteries?
    - nine_k 2y ago
      On one hand, e.g. Tesla make their batteries on the US soil, in Nevada. OTOH they don't make the batteries from the US soil, with more than half of the lithium coming from China. I'd expect a Tesla Gigamine then, somewhere near the recently discovered giant lithium deposit in Arkansas. Drones could use some of that, too.
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  - Sabinus 2y ago
    Ahhh, so that's why all the crazies have been talking about lithium. They've been activated by the agitprop.
- kortilla 2y ago

ApolloFortyNine 2y ago

First sentence of article. >A few weeks ago, China announced sanctions on Skydio for selling drones to Taiwan, where our only customer today is the National Fire Agency.

flykespice 2y ago
...Yeah? That is pretty much in line with how sanction works in the West. US has sanctioned for decades companies that cooperate economically with "enemy states" (Iran/Cuba/Russia/China), I don't see how China would be different.
- zarzavat 2y ago
  Indeed, and I'm not sure that China will arrest you when you're travelling in a foreign country, for trading with Taiwan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_case_of_Meng_Wanzhou https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_case_of_Meng_Wanzh...

preisschild 2y ago

Yeah of course, because China is sanctioning them because they are making it harder for the PROC to invade and annex another free country.

lupire 2y ago
The USA invaded and annexed lots of free countries. Invading and annexing isn't some weird thing no one usually does. Taiwan is the product of a recent civil war.
- preisschild 2y ago
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  - flykespice 2y ago
    > Not a single one in the last 100 years Here is a ChatGPT response to you because I wont bother with kneejerk responses: In the last 100 years, the United States has been involved in several military invasions and interventions in various countries. Some notable examples include: Mexico (1914) - U.S. forces occupied Veracruz. Haiti (1915-1934) - U.S. Marines occupied Haiti to stabilize the country. Dominican Republic (1916-1924) - U.S. intervention to restore order and protect American interests. Korea (1950-1953) - U.S. involvement in the Korean War, supporting South Korea against North Korea. Vietnam (1955-1975) - Extensive military involvement in the Vietnam War. Grenada (1983) - U.S. invasion to overthrow the government and restore order. Panama (1989) - Operation Just Cause to depose Manuel Noriega. Iraq (2003) - Invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein, followed by a prolonged military presence. Afghanistan (2001-2021) - Response to the 9/11 attacks, targeting the Taliban and al-Qaeda. This list highlights significant military actions but is not exhaustive, as the U.S. has also conducted numerous smaller operations, interventions, and covert actions in various countries over the years.
    - preisschild 2y ago
      ChatGPT can't even subtract 100? The first 3 examples are over 100 years and most of those were just helping allies. Note that I also said "annex".
- srbloom 2y ago
  Would you have argued that the American civil war was recent in 1940?
  - hmm37 2y ago
    The Chinese civil war never officially ended. There was no agreement whatsoever, and the ROC never declared itself as separate, etc. Taiwan is simply a province within the ROC, and the ROC still consists of the mainland. That's what the ROC constitution states.

jayyhu 2y ago

Sanction aside, this action is a wake-up call for all US based companies operating in geopolitically sensitive industries that they absolutely need to diversify their supply chain away from China. And in terms of the sanction itself, it’s definitely a reasonable response by China, given the fact that DJI is heavily sanctioned by the US government.

dtquad 2y ago
The "sanctions" on DJI are limited to US federal agencies being banned from buying DJI drones. China's move however will be a killing blow to Skydio because China has most likely correctly calculated that US/Western anti-mining sentiments makes it impossible to manufacture batteries. https://dronelife.com/2024/09/10/house-passes-countering-ccp-drones-act/ https://dronelife.com/2024/09/10/house-passes-countering-ccp...
- themaninthedark 2y ago
  The bigger question is what will the US do if China decides to take the same action wrt EV batteries?
  - nine_k 2y ago
    On one hand, e.g. Tesla make their batteries on the US soil, in Nevada. OTOH they don't make the batteries from the US soil, with more than half of the lithium coming from China. I'd expect a Tesla Gigamine then, somewhere near the recently discovered giant lithium deposit in Arkansas. Drones could use some of that, too.
- deleted 2y ago
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- Sabinus 2y ago
  Ahhh, so that's why all the crazies have been talking about lithium. They've been activated by the agitprop.
kortilla 2y ago