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So if you are waiting at an intersection pedestrian crossings and getting impatient you can just move over a bit and cross anyway?
by 94b45eb4 2y ago
So if you are waiting at an intersection pedestrian crossings and getting impatient you can just move over a bit and cross anyway?
- tlonny 2y agoYou can cross wherever and whenever is safe to do so. If traffic conditions don’t facilitate this, pedestrian crossings provide guaranteed crossing points where pedestrians have right of way.
- alexanderchr 2y agoFrom the article ”It also allows for crossing against traffic signals and specifically states that doing so is no longer a violation of the city’s administrative code.”
- hnbad 2y agoDid you read the article? Pedestrians can always cross but they then don't have the right of way and have to yield to traffic. Basically everyone can keep doing what they've been doing all along but police can no longer arrest them for it through selective enforcement.
- nobody9999 2y ago>Did you read the article? Pedestrians can always cross but they then don't have the right of way and have to yield to traffic. Basically everyone can keep doing what they've been doing all along but police can no longer arrest them for it through selective enforcement. As a lifelong New Yorker, I can tell you that arrest is never an option for any violation of the city's administrative code. Rather it's a fine. And as you alluded to, black and brown people were the vast majority of those fined under the jaywalking regulation. As a cis white guy, I didn't even know that jaywalking was 'illegal' in NYC until folks started talking about 'legalizing' it a few years ago. As I mentioned, I've lived here pretty much all my life and have 'jaywalked' in front of police hundreds if not thousands of times and none have ever even looked at me funny. So yes, this is a very good thing. Just one very, very small step on the road to 'a more perfect union', IMHO.
- hnbad 2y agoYeah, I guess I used "arrest" in the figurative sense (i.e. stopping and fining), not necessarily for taking someone into police custody. This might be the language barrier, as other replies to your comment also seem to misue the term in that sense.
- Exoristos 2y agoHow do they fine you without arresting you? Tape a citation to your back as you walk past?
- amanaplanacanal 2y agoMost people's idea of arrest means taken into custody, rather than the actual meaning of stopped. If they prevent you from walking away, you are arrested.
- nobody9999 2y agohttps://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/arrest https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/arrest
- nobody9999 2y agoIf a state trooper pulls you over in your car for speeding or throwing trash out of your car window to give you a ticket, are you now under arrest? https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/arrest https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/arrest
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- tsimionescu 2y agoBasically it means that pedestrians are allowed to cross the road anywhere, anytime, but they still have to yield to car traffic except at pedestrian crossings without a semaphore or at the Walk signal. It's a very common-sense law.
- Gigachad 2y agoBasically updating the law to match what everyone already does.
- mettamage 2y agoIn every part of the world. The whole concept of jaywalking feels backwards.
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- timr 2y ago> they still have to yield to car traffic except at pedestrian crossings without a semaphore or at the Walk signal. This isn't true. Car traffic must yield to pedestrians. Pedestrians don't always have the right of way, but you (hopefully obviously) can't just arbitrarily mow them down. The only time this would matter is if you hit someone and it went to court. Thus in practice, you have to yield to pedestrians whenever you can reasonably do so. It's actually written into NY law (section 1146: "Due Care").
- tsimionescu 2y agoNo, this is a misunderstanding of what right of way means. Drivers are never allowed to intentionally cause accidents, either with other cars or with pedestrians. If you have right of way in an intersection but a car is nevertheless not yielding to you, you are not allowed to plow into them if you can reasonably avoid it. That doesn't mean that you don't actually have right of way, or that you need to stop at every intersection to make sure that someone is not yielding. The same is true with pedestrians crossing where they have to yield to cars. It's their responsibility to check that no cars are passing before crossing. At a crosswalk, drivers will slow down if they see a pedestrian heading towards the crossing; they don't need to (and won't) at other places. Of course, if they see a pedestrian in the middle of the road, they are not allowed to hit them, just like they're not allowed to hit a car.
- matheusmoreira 2y agoIt means pedestrians are always right even when they are wrong. Especially when they are wrong. It means they can do whatever they want whenever they want wherever they want and everybody else on the road is obligated to accomodate them.
- amanaplanacanal 2y agoIf only this were true. Only some people drive, but even drivers become pedestrians as soon as they get out of their car.
- enragedcacti 2y agoWhat's the alternative? Stand-your-ground laws but for the right to get to Starbucks 10 seconds faster?
- matheusmoreira 2y agoThe alternative is having traffic laws for pedestrians and enforcing them and fining violators so they don't just walk wherever they please with zero consequences. Why is it they get to disrupt traffic with total impunity and shift all the liability to the vehicles? That makes no sense whatsoever.
- goodpoint 2y ago> It means they can do whatever they want whenever they want wherever they want and everybody else on the road is obligated to accomodate them. Excellent.