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“They only dedicate real resources in the direction of self interest” Wow, it’s almost like they are a publicly traded company with a legal obligation to do so

“They only dedicate real resources in the direction of self interest” Wow, it’s almost like they are a publicly traded company with a legal obligation to do so!

throwaway48476 2y ago
Of course. But it's hypocritical to then pretend like they care about the environment when they manifestly don't.
- mihaaly 2y ago
  I wonder how many offended Apple employees and dedicated fans hang around this article, but seeing the number of grey comments being a bit sceptical about the overall efficiency of Apple environmentalism there most be more than one. ; ) But maybe still less than the number of electronics mass produced, sparing no efforts and resources, to supply mass(es of) consumers, the world!
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    We live in a sick society where peoples identities are intertwined with their consumer choices and they feel personally attacked by criticism of a megacorporstion. An engineer is more likely to be aware of design tradeoffs and skeptical of marketing fluff.
    - 7speter 2y ago
      It boggles my mind that there are legions of people like this who will defend mega corporations for free. If you're gonna gaslight for a trillion dollar corporation, at least get paid to do it.
  - reaperducer 2y ago
    I wonder how many offended Apple employees and dedicated fans hang around this article, but seeing the number of grey comments being a bit sceptical about the overall efficiency of Apple environmentalism there most be more than one. ; ) Maybe people are just tired of the same old low-quality axe grinding that fills the HN comments section every time any story appears about Apple. This whole page is filled with people rehashing 15-year-old complaints, moaning about computers other than the one in the article, and generally turning the whole thing into yet another off-topic bitch session. You can put together a BINGO sheet for HN comments any time there is a story about Apple ("walled garden!"), Google ("graveyard!"), Microsoft ("Micro$oft!"), or Adobe ("subscription!"). It's old. It's boring. It's off-topic. It is rightly downvoted.
    - mihaaly 2y ago
      You forget to list 'it is not true' as the reason for downwote, my child! (no, you did not forget, you had no such reason, only that you are bored or some are even offended by others do not like what is grown to be precious while done with a megaload of pretention and are not tired of pointing it out. Like a fella closeby, participating in distributing billions of electronics using a sizeable chunk of Earth's resources, then is proud of not throwing away each and every vessel he/she drank out of on the campus. And does not see the galactic inbalance. Does not want to, I suspect. Happy with the rigtheous image put on like a t-shirt. Being bored is no fucking mandate to make actions or criticize in this free discussion. Your bored sensitivity is insignificant in the subject, try to grow up, be adult and see the significant part of picture too and take seriously what is serious - unlike your boredom - instead of trying to wrap reality around your lack of amusement, please. People like yourself yield to pretentious greediness preserving a problem with willfull an intentional ignorance make problems 'old' - but definitely not boring. Would you care please yawn a huge one and downvote anything of a different an even bigger and even older 'boring' problem like child poverty for example? Just as an instance, there are mountains of 'old' and 'boring' problems you could consider boring and righful of shut about it! :( Before biting on details or analogies, the subject of criticism is the ignorant and egocentric mentality you represent, not the randdom elements came accross.)
    - saagarjha 2y ago
      Always relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23003595 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23003595
burnte 2y ago
> Wow, it’s almost like they are a publicly traded company with a legal obligation to do so! This is an amazingly common misconception about fiduciary responsibility to share holders. Nowhere in the law does it state that they must seek profit and shareholder value at all costs, above all other concerns, regardless of the impact. Companies are absolutely allowed to do things that are not 100% aligned with self interest. Many companies routinely do such things like charitable giving, excellent customer service, expensive processes that make the product more recyclable or repairable, etc.
- anticensor 2y ago
  Aktienbolaget in Sweden are a notable exception there. Even they find ways to do things beyond profit while profiting, not just for profit.
piyuv 2y ago
You know, keeping the planet we live on alive is also self interest.
- mihaaly 2y ago
  (... just silently, with a shy look: perhaps could make and distribute much much less fast obsoleting electronic devices then?... just an idea...)
- anticensor 2y ago
  Court enforceable (immediate or imminent) vs. activism required (long term or indirect) distinction enters the picture there.
conradev 2y ago
I did not say that it’s bad or wrong or changeable. I was actually just trying to explain that the internal feelings of employees are not the driving force, even if those feelings are real and deeply felt.

“They only dedicate real resources in the direction of self interest” Wow, it’s almost like they are a publicly traded company with a legal obligation to do so!

throwaway48476 2y ago

Of course. But it's hypocritical to then pretend like they care about the environment when they manifestly don't.

mihaaly 2y ago
I wonder how many offended Apple employees and dedicated fans hang around this article, but seeing the number of grey comments being a bit sceptical about the overall efficiency of Apple environmentalism there most be more than one. ; ) But maybe still less than the number of electronics mass produced, sparing no efforts and resources, to supply mass(es of) consumers, the world!
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  We live in a sick society where peoples identities are intertwined with their consumer choices and they feel personally attacked by criticism of a megacorporstion. An engineer is more likely to be aware of design tradeoffs and skeptical of marketing fluff.
  - 7speter 2y ago
    It boggles my mind that there are legions of people like this who will defend mega corporations for free. If you're gonna gaslight for a trillion dollar corporation, at least get paid to do it.
- reaperducer 2y ago
  I wonder how many offended Apple employees and dedicated fans hang around this article, but seeing the number of grey comments being a bit sceptical about the overall efficiency of Apple environmentalism there most be more than one. ; ) Maybe people are just tired of the same old low-quality axe grinding that fills the HN comments section every time any story appears about Apple. This whole page is filled with people rehashing 15-year-old complaints, moaning about computers other than the one in the article, and generally turning the whole thing into yet another off-topic bitch session. You can put together a BINGO sheet for HN comments any time there is a story about Apple ("walled garden!"), Google ("graveyard!"), Microsoft ("Micro$oft!"), or Adobe ("subscription!"). It's old. It's boring. It's off-topic. It is rightly downvoted.
  - mihaaly 2y ago
    You forget to list 'it is not true' as the reason for downwote, my child! (no, you did not forget, you had no such reason, only that you are bored or some are even offended by others do not like what is grown to be precious while done with a megaload of pretention and are not tired of pointing it out. Like a fella closeby, participating in distributing billions of electronics using a sizeable chunk of Earth's resources, then is proud of not throwing away each and every vessel he/she drank out of on the campus. And does not see the galactic inbalance. Does not want to, I suspect. Happy with the rigtheous image put on like a t-shirt. Being bored is no fucking mandate to make actions or criticize in this free discussion. Your bored sensitivity is insignificant in the subject, try to grow up, be adult and see the significant part of picture too and take seriously what is serious - unlike your boredom - instead of trying to wrap reality around your lack of amusement, please. People like yourself yield to pretentious greediness preserving a problem with willfull an intentional ignorance make problems 'old' - but definitely not boring. Would you care please yawn a huge one and downvote anything of a different an even bigger and even older 'boring' problem like child poverty for example? Just as an instance, there are mountains of 'old' and 'boring' problems you could consider boring and righful of shut about it! :( Before biting on details or analogies, the subject of criticism is the ignorant and egocentric mentality you represent, not the randdom elements came accross.)
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    Always relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23003595 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23003595

burnte 2y ago

> Wow, it’s almost like they are a publicly traded company with a legal obligation to do so! This is an amazingly common misconception about fiduciary responsibility to share holders. Nowhere in the law does it state that they must seek profit and shareholder value at all costs, above all other concerns, regardless of the impact. Companies are absolutely allowed to do things that are not 100% aligned with self interest. Many companies routinely do such things like charitable giving, excellent customer service, expensive processes that make the product more recyclable or repairable, etc.

anticensor 2y ago
Aktienbolaget in Sweden are a notable exception there. Even they find ways to do things beyond profit while profiting, not just for profit.

piyuv 2y ago

You know, keeping the planet we live on alive is also self interest.

mihaaly 2y ago
(... just silently, with a shy look: perhaps could make and distribute much much less fast obsoleting electronic devices then?... just an idea...)
anticensor 2y ago
Court enforceable (immediate or imminent) vs. activism required (long term or indirect) distinction enters the picture there.

conradev 2y ago

I did not say that it’s bad or wrong or changeable. I was actually just trying to explain that the internal feelings of employees are not the driving force, even if those feelings are real and deeply felt.