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There is definitely a quiet support among the faang owners for Trump.

Molitor5901 2y ago
I think they, like even some on the left, have reasoned that Trump will only be there for four years. That's it. He's gone, or in jail. That's four years they know who their opponent will be and the Democratic Party can prepare. Thinking a long game, it is possible the left has given up and said fine, let's get it over with.
- kccoder 2y ago
  I haven't met a single person on the left with the mindset you described. I'm not saying they don't exist, I just can't imagine it represents more than a fraction of a percent of the left. It seems like more on the left believe that if Trump is elected, we are unlikely to see another fair election.
  - TMWNN 2y ago
    >It seems like more on the left believe that if Trump is elected, we are unlikely to see another fair election. Don't listen to what they say, Look at what they do. Breaking Points back in July, while discussing the Trump-Biden debate <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV8ULfwTneE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV8ULfwTneE> (which I highly recommend watching; it's the single best sum-up), pointed out two things for those who claim (to believe) the above: * If TrumpNaziKKK being reelected means "no more elections ever", shouldn't Democrats have originally chosen someone other than a living corpse as his opponent? * While discussing how the many plans among Democrats like Newsom, Whitmer, etc. (and their successors) for 2028 were disrupted/forced up by the potential to replace Biden (before Kamala's abrupt coronation), they again pointed out the paradox of on the one hand claiming that Trump will abolish elections, and on the other hand having plans for running to replacing Trump in 2028. Read this June New York Times interview of Whitmer. <https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/22/magazine/gretchen-whitmer-interview.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/22/magazine/gretchen-whitmer...> Strange, how she doesn't say (despite being very specific about things like the plot against her) that "if Trump wins, there won't be elections in 2028 and all non-MAGAtards will be executed by Trumptroopers". You'd think that would be something of sufficient urgency to repeat at every public opportunity. Almost as if actual Democratic leaders don't really believe the rhetoric they have so successfully foisted upon their supporters, including 75% of Redditors. Another example: Post-Trump/Biden debate, Rep. Jared Golden (D-ME) explicitly denying that Trump's reelection will threaten American democracy <https://www.bangordailynews.com/2024/07/02/opinion/opinion-contributor/jared-golden-donald-trump-going-to-win-election-democracy-be-just-fine/ https://www.bangordailynews.com/2024/07/02/opinion/opinion-c...>. Yet another example: After discussing Golden's op-ed, Ezra Klein citing other Democrats who privately admit to him <https://x.com/Timodc/status/1811136469911711877 https://x.com/Timodc/status/1811136469911711877> that a) they don't believe Trump is an "existential threat to democracy", and don't know why others say that, and b) that's why they aren't speaking out about Biden stepping down, because they believe the damage to their own careers from doing so is a greater threat than Trump winning Yet another example, perhaps the most prominent of all: Biden telling George Stephanopoulos that if he loses to Trump then, well, "I'll feel, as long as I gave it my all and I did as goodest as I know I can do, that's what this is about". If he was the only person who can save the country from Orange Hitler, would that really be the extent of Biden's reaction? Really?!?
    - KaiserPro 2y ago
      mate, you're assuming that the democrats are well enough organised to actually think like that, let alone execute a plan so complicated. They clearly are a party divided by old timers, radicals and the rest. Biden has a retinue of close advisers who loose power when he looses office (either by mental ability or loosing) They have the influence to damage anyone taking a swipe at the "king". Obvious disloyalty is toxic in politics. (even more so in trump circles. even though hes not very loyal to you) Trying to pry a leader out of their seat, when there are no clear charismatic upstarts is fucking hard, even more so when your party is in paralysis because they are loosing in the polls. THe democrats bungled it. and you have Harris. Youre citing sources saying that the democrats will plan x,y & z, and they are keeping it a secret. They can't keep a secret. Look how much warning we had about Biden being yeeted. _months_ of low lying noises and grumbles. Where as you look at trump and he says: "I'm going to deport milions" and > “We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think they’re the big — and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen.” There isn't really an equivalent from the democrats, because they are disorganised and frankly useless. Trump has a chance to do this because he's surrounded by pricks who'll let that happen.
  - eigart 2y ago
    FWIW I’m not American. I think it’s more likely than not that Trump is the end of liberal democracy. They had it planned out for Jan. 6. They know how to succeed next time, and they have an even firmer grip on SCOTUS. I used to fear for what this would mean for Europe (me), but I think it will be incompetence top to bottom. He had a decent crew last time around, but by the end it was Giuliani, MyPillow and the big dick toilets guy.
- coding123 2y ago
  Zuck said Trump's fist in the air was the most badass thing he has ever seen. I don't think that sounds like what you are saying.
- taylodl 2y ago
  Or maybe Big Tech has swung to the right since the Trump administration better aligns with their power lust
- nerdix 2y ago
  They aren't playing 5D chess. They don't like the proposed Biden (and now Harris by extension) tax policy because it personally affects them. This is about billionaires wanting to avoid taxes.
- amadeuspagel 2y ago
  Isn't it much better from a left-wing perspective to have Trump win the primary and lose the general until he dies? Because if he loses this time, that seems likely to happen.
- dralley 2y ago
  If that's the case, "some on the left" are absolutely clueless. Watch Trump replace Thomas and Alito with 40 year old justices and lock in a conservative (or worse, MAGA, not that there has been a difference in practice lately) supreme court for the next 30 years.
taylodl 2y ago
I think you can remove one of those A's from FAANG supporting Trump, and it's not Bezos' A...
- danans 2y ago
  Maybe not "supporting", but the other A apparently isn't above currying favor with him: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-apple-ceo-cook-called-him-with-concerns-about-eu-penalties-2024-10-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-apple-ceo-cook-c...
  - taylodl 2y ago
    Trump says...I'm sorry, but I don't believe a damned thing Trump says. This particular claim doesn't pass the sniff test. why would Tim Cook call Donald Trump? Donald Trump is a private citizen with no power to do anything. Donald Trump is an absolute idiot when it comes to anything involving business, except to con and scam people. So no, there's no reason to believe this happened. Now, if Americans are stupid enough to make Trump president again - well, that's a different scenario because Trump would be president. Then Tim Cook has incentive to try to convince Trump to not thoroughly wreck and destroy the US economy. Tim Cook can wait until after the election to see if he has to cross that bridge.
    - danans 2y ago
      > This particular claim doesn't pass the sniff test. why would Tim Cook call Donald Trump? > So no, there's no reason to believe this happened. Why hasn't he (or any of the other Big tech CEOs who Trump has claimed conversations with) denied it? They just have to put out a statement saying "the conversation never happened". Their silence is deafening.
      - taylodl 2y ago
        Why should they be forced to deal with Trump's nonsense? That's giving Trump agency over you and giving him the attention he craves. The best way to deal with a narcissist like Trump is to ignore him. Only an idiot believes Trump's incessant lies and neither I, nor presumably Tim Cook, gives a rat's ass what idiots think of us.
standardUser 2y ago
There's been so much focus on education as the new fault line in American politics. And though it is huge, and the less educated increasingly do support ultra-conservative policies, I think the even bigger fault line is across genders. And tech workers, though usually well educated, skew dramatically male and those degrees and salaries don't make them immune to the growing culture of male grievance and victimhood.
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  Tech workers are Democratic. Tech owners and high level executives are right wing.
  - standardUser 2y ago
    > Tech workers are Democratic Not one hundred percent of them. And many tech execs are liberal. I'm talking about the larger demographic trends.
    - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
      The trend is towards liberal, the higher up in tech you are the more you lag that trend (possible confound with gender): https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftcms%3Aa85b22c1-081b-4db1-bec1-3c918f41ca14?source=next-article&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&width=490&dpr=1 https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftc...
- eapressoandcats 2y ago
  The effect size is actually pretty similar from what I’ve seen. Both are huge. Tech workers are cross pressured in that they are mostly male and mostly college educated.
mmooss 2y ago
How quiet is it, if you and all of HN knows?

I think they, like even some on the left, have reasoned that Trump will only be there for four years. That's it. He's gone, or in jail. That's four years they know who their opponent will be and the Democratic Party can prepare. Thinking a long game, it is possible the left has given up and said fine, let's get it over with.

kccoder 2y ago
I haven't met a single person on the left with the mindset you described. I'm not saying they don't exist, I just can't imagine it represents more than a fraction of a percent of the left. It seems like more on the left believe that if Trump is elected, we are unlikely to see another fair election.
- TMWNN 2y ago
  >It seems like more on the left believe that if Trump is elected, we are unlikely to see another fair election. Don't listen to what they say, Look at what they do. Breaking Points back in July, while discussing the Trump-Biden debate <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV8ULfwTneE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV8ULfwTneE> (which I highly recommend watching; it's the single best sum-up), pointed out two things for those who claim (to believe) the above: * If TrumpNaziKKK being reelected means "no more elections ever", shouldn't Democrats have originally chosen someone other than a living corpse as his opponent? * While discussing how the many plans among Democrats like Newsom, Whitmer, etc. (and their successors) for 2028 were disrupted/forced up by the potential to replace Biden (before Kamala's abrupt coronation), they again pointed out the paradox of on the one hand claiming that Trump will abolish elections, and on the other hand having plans for running to replacing Trump in 2028. Read this June New York Times interview of Whitmer. <https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/22/magazine/gretchen-whitmer-interview.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/22/magazine/gretchen-whitmer...> Strange, how she doesn't say (despite being very specific about things like the plot against her) that "if Trump wins, there won't be elections in 2028 and all non-MAGAtards will be executed by Trumptroopers". You'd think that would be something of sufficient urgency to repeat at every public opportunity. Almost as if actual Democratic leaders don't really believe the rhetoric they have so successfully foisted upon their supporters, including 75% of Redditors. Another example: Post-Trump/Biden debate, Rep. Jared Golden (D-ME) explicitly denying that Trump's reelection will threaten American democracy <https://www.bangordailynews.com/2024/07/02/opinion/opinion-contributor/jared-golden-donald-trump-going-to-win-election-democracy-be-just-fine/ https://www.bangordailynews.com/2024/07/02/opinion/opinion-c...>. Yet another example: After discussing Golden's op-ed, Ezra Klein citing other Democrats who privately admit to him <https://x.com/Timodc/status/1811136469911711877 https://x.com/Timodc/status/1811136469911711877> that a) they don't believe Trump is an "existential threat to democracy", and don't know why others say that, and b) that's why they aren't speaking out about Biden stepping down, because they believe the damage to their own careers from doing so is a greater threat than Trump winning Yet another example, perhaps the most prominent of all: Biden telling George Stephanopoulos that if he loses to Trump then, well, "I'll feel, as long as I gave it my all and I did as goodest as I know I can do, that's what this is about". If he was the only person who can save the country from Orange Hitler, would that really be the extent of Biden's reaction? Really?!?
  - KaiserPro 2y ago
    mate, you're assuming that the democrats are well enough organised to actually think like that, let alone execute a plan so complicated. They clearly are a party divided by old timers, radicals and the rest. Biden has a retinue of close advisers who loose power when he looses office (either by mental ability or loosing) They have the influence to damage anyone taking a swipe at the "king". Obvious disloyalty is toxic in politics. (even more so in trump circles. even though hes not very loyal to you) Trying to pry a leader out of their seat, when there are no clear charismatic upstarts is fucking hard, even more so when your party is in paralysis because they are loosing in the polls. THe democrats bungled it. and you have Harris. Youre citing sources saying that the democrats will plan x,y & z, and they are keeping it a secret. They can't keep a secret. Look how much warning we had about Biden being yeeted. _months_ of low lying noises and grumbles. Where as you look at trump and he says: "I'm going to deport milions" and > “We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think they’re the big — and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen.” There isn't really an equivalent from the democrats, because they are disorganised and frankly useless. Trump has a chance to do this because he's surrounded by pricks who'll let that happen.
- eigart 2y ago
  FWIW I’m not American. I think it’s more likely than not that Trump is the end of liberal democracy. They had it planned out for Jan. 6. They know how to succeed next time, and they have an even firmer grip on SCOTUS. I used to fear for what this would mean for Europe (me), but I think it will be incompetence top to bottom. He had a decent crew last time around, but by the end it was Giuliani, MyPillow and the big dick toilets guy.
coding123 2y ago
Zuck said Trump's fist in the air was the most badass thing he has ever seen. I don't think that sounds like what you are saying.
taylodl 2y ago
Or maybe Big Tech has swung to the right since the Trump administration better aligns with their power lust
nerdix 2y ago
They aren't playing 5D chess. They don't like the proposed Biden (and now Harris by extension) tax policy because it personally affects them. This is about billionaires wanting to avoid taxes.
amadeuspagel 2y ago
Isn't it much better from a left-wing perspective to have Trump win the primary and lose the general until he dies? Because if he loses this time, that seems likely to happen.
dralley 2y ago
If that's the case, "some on the left" are absolutely clueless. Watch Trump replace Thomas and Alito with 40 year old justices and lock in a conservative (or worse, MAGA, not that there has been a difference in practice lately) supreme court for the next 30 years.

taylodl 2y ago

I think you can remove one of those A's from FAANG supporting Trump, and it's not Bezos' A...

danans 2y ago
Maybe not "supporting", but the other A apparently isn't above currying favor with him: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-apple-ceo-cook-called-him-with-concerns-about-eu-penalties-2024-10-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-apple-ceo-cook-c...
- taylodl 2y ago
  Trump says...I'm sorry, but I don't believe a damned thing Trump says. This particular claim doesn't pass the sniff test. why would Tim Cook call Donald Trump? Donald Trump is a private citizen with no power to do anything. Donald Trump is an absolute idiot when it comes to anything involving business, except to con and scam people. So no, there's no reason to believe this happened. Now, if Americans are stupid enough to make Trump president again - well, that's a different scenario because Trump would be president. Then Tim Cook has incentive to try to convince Trump to not thoroughly wreck and destroy the US economy. Tim Cook can wait until after the election to see if he has to cross that bridge.
  - danans 2y ago
    > This particular claim doesn't pass the sniff test. why would Tim Cook call Donald Trump? > So no, there's no reason to believe this happened. Why hasn't he (or any of the other Big tech CEOs who Trump has claimed conversations with) denied it? They just have to put out a statement saying "the conversation never happened". Their silence is deafening.
    - taylodl 2y ago
      Why should they be forced to deal with Trump's nonsense? That's giving Trump agency over you and giving him the attention he craves. The best way to deal with a narcissist like Trump is to ignore him. Only an idiot believes Trump's incessant lies and neither I, nor presumably Tim Cook, gives a rat's ass what idiots think of us.

standardUser 2y ago

There's been so much focus on education as the new fault line in American politics. And though it is huge, and the less educated increasingly do support ultra-conservative policies, I think the even bigger fault line is across genders. And tech workers, though usually well educated, skew dramatically male and those degrees and salaries don't make them immune to the growing culture of male grievance and victimhood.

ZeroGravitas 2y ago
Tech workers are Democratic. Tech owners and high level executives are right wing.
- standardUser 2y ago
  > Tech workers are Democratic Not one hundred percent of them. And many tech execs are liberal. I'm talking about the larger demographic trends.
  - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
    The trend is towards liberal, the higher up in tech you are the more you lag that trend (possible confound with gender): https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftcms%3Aa85b22c1-081b-4db1-bec1-3c918f41ca14?source=next-article&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&width=490&dpr=1 https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftc...
eapressoandcats 2y ago
The effect size is actually pretty similar from what I’ve seen. Both are huge. Tech workers are cross pressured in that they are mostly male and mostly college educated.

mmooss 2y ago

How quiet is it, if you and all of HN knows?