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To me at least, celebrating individuals using drugs that support an unhealthy lifestyle does not appear like a positive for society at large. I thought medicine

To me at least, celebrating individuals using drugs that support an unhealthy lifestyle does not appear like a positive for society at large. I thought medicine was about aiding people to become healthy, not providing quick fixes to common problems. Why is this being celebrated? EDIT: I do not mean to say Ozempic is useless or dangerous, only that celebrating it as a solution to the problem of obesity is. It is certainly a tool that helps people. I don't think it should be relied on continously. People need to live healthy lives to be healthy. I am not perfect, no one is. Losing weight is hard.

graeme 2y ago
Not how it works. Ozempic seems to shift processes in the body that divert you from the unhealthy lifestyle
eska 2y ago
What I’m afraid of is that this just ends in an arms race of ever unhealthier lifestyles versus medication to counter-balance that. These aren’t wonder drugs. People just need to stop eating garbage food, and too much of it. And the government should pass laws to facilitate that to counter lobbyists
- BitwiseFool 2y ago
  >"People just need to stop eating garbage food, and too much of it." Easier said than done. However for the vast majority of the people taking these drugs, these drugs enable them to finally do that.
- selectodude 2y ago
  This is a drug that literally turns off the part of your brain that craves overeating. Governments can’t legislate against human nature, as much as the nanny state wants to. We fixed food production without fixing the scarcity mindset that got us here. Now we’ve fixed that too.
  - throwaway19972 2y ago
    It's a pretty dangerous mindset to imagine you're "fixing" a problem rather than "treating" a symptom.
    - daedrdev 2y ago
      Obesity is the main cause of myriad health problems. It is both treating a symptom, and fixing a problem. On average, somekne imwho is obese will love a much healthier life that is years longer than it would be without the drug. If that isn't an amazing outcome for medicine, than what is? Everyone dies, so all medicine treats symptoms at some level
      - throwaway19972 2y ago
        Sure, but none of us know what the impact this drug will have on a societal level yet. Saying we've "fixed" anything is ridiculous.
- daedrdev 2y ago
  But this drug is basically mind controlling people to live healthier. Its not countering an unhealthy lifestyle, it improving their current lifestyle
sodality2 2y ago
They don't support an unhealthy lifestyle any more than a miracle pill that stopped a harmful drug addiction would. Would you oppose its release since it's not actually "natural" to use medicine to stop your addiction, when you should instead use pure willpower? This simply doesn't make sense. We live in a world of enormous abundance, exacerbated by companies min-maxing foods to have the most addictive properties humanly possible, at cheap prices.
- throwaway19972 2y ago
  I realize obesity is a major problem, but so is neuroticism about health, weight, and diet. I agree with the nagging feeling that using a drug to address hunger is likely to have negative consequences for some people. EDIT: obsession -> neuroticism
  - ykonstant 2y ago
    > I realize obesity is a major problem, but so is obsession about health and weight. The scales of the two problems are not even remotely comparable.
    - throwaway19972 2y ago
      I don't think this is true at all. Peoples' obsession with solving obesity as a cure-all for human health deserves pushback. There's also a concerning degree of moralizing it that has no place in our culture but has taken firm root.
      - sodality2 2y ago
        In 1990, no US state had more than 20% obesity. In 2018, no US state had less than 20% obesity. [0]: https://obesity.procon.org/us-obesity-levels-by-state/ https://obesity.procon.org/us-obesity-levels-by-state/ and https://stateofchildhoodobesity.org/data-by-policy/ https://stateofchildhoodobesity.org/data-by-policy/ Obesity has been linked to a huge number of health harms and they've been known for decades. [1]: https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/obesity-health-consequences-of-being-overweight https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/obe... and https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/weight-management/adult-overweight-obesity/health-risks https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/weight-manageme... I think you may be right that there's room for nuance about obesity, especially moralization about it, but you simply cannot deny that it's a huge problem in the US
taeric 2y ago
Its being celebrated because it is an amazing development? I think I can agree that, ideally, people will bootstrap healthy lifestyles and not need the aide long term. I don't know how you could justify that as a reason not to be glad the aide exists, though?
daedrdev 2y ago
This medicine literally aids people to become healthy. They will gain years of life from the lost weight. Their lifestyle changes to be healthier by eating less, which many are unable to do without help because the human body has millions of years of baked in evolution demanding we overeat if able
- Extropy_ 2y ago
  My father has used ozempic. He hails it as a wonder drug, yet he does little to nothing to change his behaviours because he can rely on this crutch. I see that as concerning
  - nemomarx 2y ago
    Is he not eating less? If it's reducing appetite that seems like the biggest change of behavior you'd want, right?
    - Extropy_ 2y ago
      You're suggesting that appetite is the cause of obesity. I don't agree with that notion. Repeatedly giving into your "appetite" will reinforce overeating
  - daedrdev 2y ago
    I dont really think an ancedote is a good argument. We have studies showing many people eat less on ozempic and loose substantial amounts of weight, and its main effect is not even the weight loss but reducing heart problems and fixing blood sugar in diabetes patients
    - Extropy_ 2y ago
      He lost substantial amounts of weight. He sees it as a solution to his problem of being overweight and does nothing to change his lifestyle. I'm concerned that celebrating this drug as a simple solution to Obesity sends that message to other people as well EDIT: celebrating Ozempic as a simple solution to obesity is literally what I'm referencing my Dad doing
GooglyThird 2y ago
Think I generally agree with your sentiment, but my understanding of how Ozempic works is that it kills your appetite. The "unhealthy lifestyle" you're referring to is one of overeating. Ozempic doesn't support a person to continue overeating, it removes the desire to overeat. From that perspective it is aiding people to become healthy.
- Extropy_ 2y ago
  Sure, yes it is aiding people to become healthy in that sense. Is it healthy to rely on drugs to change your thought and behaviour patterns? I definitely see this drug as a useful tool when combined with a plan to not continue using it for the rest of your life. I see relying on this drug continuously as a problem, thinking "oh, there's no need to try and change my behaviours on my own, this drug will do it for me."
  - abduhl 2y ago
    How do you feel about drugs prescribed for mental health (Prozac, Zoloft, etc.)? Why do you feel differently (if you do feel differently)?
    - Extropy_ 2y ago
      It depends on the person. Major depressive disorder is an inexplicable depression that is not brought on by the circumstances of your life, I think SSRIs are a suitable treatment for that. I think that it's important to consider all factors of a persons life when deciding whether or not they should be prescribed medication that suppresses ALL emotion, not just negative emotion. Positive constructive therapy to help people better their lives ought to be considered in cases that may not necessarily be a disordered condition (i.e., they have a shitty life and need to be a better person to themself and others to be happy and feel good about themself)
  - daedrdev 2y ago
    If a drug has zero side effects, than it is obviously healthy. Ozempic has side effects, so we cna do a cost benefit analysis to argue that the various benefits of not being obese outweigh its problems. We clearly see many people are unable to loose weight without it, given nearly 50% of people are at an unhealthy weight, thus its likley a net positive.
stevenAthompson 2y ago
I guess it's because some of us aren't as perfect as you. If humans stopped eating sugar we wouldn't need most dentists. Should we stop celebrating dental advances?
- Extropy_ 2y ago
  Dentists will tell you to eat less sugar. The company that manufactures ozempic will tell you that you don't have to do anything but use our drug
  - stevenAthompson 2y ago
    They do not tell you that. You are wrong. From their FAQ: "Ozempic® is a medicine for adults with type 2 diabetes that, along with diet and exercise, may improve blood sugar. While not for weight loss, Ozempic® may help you lose some weight."
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  - consteval 2y ago
    They literally never tell you that. I'm so fucking sick of people just making shit up about medicine and doctors in general! "Oh they'll all tell you you don't need to do anything just takes this pill and then the pill fixes you hurr durr!" Okay nobody says that. Nobody has ever said that. You made that up, everyone who says that makes that up. If you go to the doctor and you smoke the first thing out of their mouth is "quit smoking". If you're obese they're gonna DRILL "lifestyle changes" into your skull. Where the fuck is this absolute delusion that "big pharma just gives pills!!1!" coming from? This has literally never been how medicine works.
    - stevenAthompson 2y ago
      < Where the fuck is this absolute delusion that "big pharma just gives pills!!1!" coming from? The way this is phrased is a little rude, but hey it's the internet. I'm actually curious where this idea comes from as well. I hear it all the time, but have never experienced anything close to it in all of my years on the planet. Is it some kind of political trope? Something that used to be true that older people haven't realized changed a long time ago? Does it come from 70's sitcoms? It's certainly never happened to me with any of the doctors I've ever seen, met, or worked with, and I have decades of experience in healthcare adjacent fields. All of the doctors I've known actually really cared about their patients and would often complain that the patient just wanted pills and weren't more compliant when it came to things like diet, exercise, and quitting their vices.
Oarch 2y ago
Why is this being celebrated? Call me cynical, but maybe because Big Pharma has the deepest pockets and is one of the largest (if not the largest) spender on advertising out there.
- daedrdev 2y ago
  Or maybe its because the majority of the population will loose years of life from being overweight or obese
satisfice 2y ago
It’s only unhealthy if the drug isn’t used. Imagine if there were a button on your head that when you pushed it all alcohol in you blood would be cleared out with no negative effect on your liver. In that case, heavy drinking would NO LONGER BE an unhealthy lifestyle. Kids would be able to drink alcohol with no problems.
javier123454321 2y ago
Its weird that people are celebrating the fact that our lifestyle and food supply is so bastardized that it's causing people to become unhealthy to the point where they need a lifelong drug to overcome it. I get why the manufacturers and big pharma likes it, but it seems that it's also celebrated by many individuals, like you see in this and other HN threads. This drug is a symptom of a sick culture, and not cause to celebrate. I don't at all blame the individuals that have this prescribed to them for taking it, but it just seems like a technochratic solution addressing superficial symptoms of a much larger problem.
- stevenAthompson 2y ago
  Smoking causes lung cancer. I don't smoke, but if they found a cure for lung cancer I would celebrate that rather than griping about "personal responsibility" or whatever it is your grievance here is. This thing objectively and subjectively improves the lives of the people you share this world with. If you have a problem with that it might be time to turn your gaze inward.
  - javier123454321 2y ago
    I'm upset that we just accept a society that requires a lifelong commitment to purchasing a drug as an appropriate answer, rather than looking at real causes of why people are so unhealthy. I don't think it's exclusively a matter of personal responsibility, rather a supply chain and incentive structure to produce sick people that need medication to be healthy. This is a band aid.
    - mapontosevenths 2y ago
      > This is a band aid Yes, and like a band-aid it will help sick people heal. Which is a good thing, that should be celebrated. I don't believe that I've ever heard anyone espouse the idea that nothing else in the patients life should change, or that the drugs alone are a complete answer. Although, that seems to be the counter position to your argument. Everyone knows that fat people need to eat less and exercise more, including the fat people. These drugs help them do that. The drugs are advertised, sold, and prescribed that way and include advice to that effect in the informational pamphlets they come with in addition to usually including a lecture from your physician. What else do you need before you can just be happy for people that are struggling a little less now?
r00fus 2y ago
> I thought medicine was about aiding people to become healthy This is exactly what this medication does. I don't understand what confusion there is - this medication undoes the damage that a poor lifestyle choice creates, then gives the user to choose again.
nthdesign 2y ago
I've struggled with weight my entire life (I'm in my forties). Back in 2019, I lost 80 pounds. I carefully regulated my calorie intake to 1,800 per day. I discovered I have an absolutely terrible sense of portion size, and absolutely never feel "full" or satiated. I also made it a point to close all three Activity rings on my Apple Watch every day. I felt better, I had more energy, and I was able to enjoy more things in my day-to-day life. Even with all of those positives, a series of difficult life events during the first year of COVID took me out of my routine, and I haven't been able to bounce back. I would like to try a GLP-1 to see if it could give me a boost in the right direction again. I have no interest in being on it, or any medication, forever. Thankfully, I've never been addicted to anything other than food. I never liked alcohol, nor did I get any positive feeling from it. So, I don't drink. I've never been enticed by drugs, so I've never used them. I went to Atlantic City once, but have never gambled another day in my life. Being spared from these other addictions isn't a matter of my amazing willpower. I'm simply not drawn to those addictions. Nor do I think that people who battle those addictions simply have a lack of willpower. I believe it's much deeper than that. I agree that celebrating a medication as a cure-all solution is problematic. But, I don't think that's what most people think about GLP-1s. I think most most people simply want, and deserve, a little help in a difficult and complex world.
consteval 2y ago
> support an unhealthy lifestyle Do people not know what Ozempic does? Ozempic doesn't make you sit around, eat like a pig and you lose weight. That's not what it does. Ozempic makes you eat less, curbing overconsumption. People on Ozempic are also much more likely to exercise. It does not "support an unhealthy lifestyle". It literally does the opposite. > People need to live healthy lives to be healthy Okay, Ozempic helps people live healthy lives. Just like having a personal trainer helps people live healthy lives. Would you say having a personal trainer is "supporting an unhealthy lifestyle"? Of course you wouldn't.

graeme 2y ago

Not how it works. Ozempic seems to shift processes in the body that divert you from the unhealthy lifestyle

eska 2y ago

What I’m afraid of is that this just ends in an arms race of ever unhealthier lifestyles versus medication to counter-balance that. These aren’t wonder drugs. People just need to stop eating garbage food, and too much of it. And the government should pass laws to facilitate that to counter lobbyists

BitwiseFool 2y ago
>"People just need to stop eating garbage food, and too much of it." Easier said than done. However for the vast majority of the people taking these drugs, these drugs enable them to finally do that.
selectodude 2y ago
This is a drug that literally turns off the part of your brain that craves overeating. Governments can’t legislate against human nature, as much as the nanny state wants to. We fixed food production without fixing the scarcity mindset that got us here. Now we’ve fixed that too.
- throwaway19972 2y ago
  It's a pretty dangerous mindset to imagine you're "fixing" a problem rather than "treating" a symptom.
  - daedrdev 2y ago
    Obesity is the main cause of myriad health problems. It is both treating a symptom, and fixing a problem. On average, somekne imwho is obese will love a much healthier life that is years longer than it would be without the drug. If that isn't an amazing outcome for medicine, than what is? Everyone dies, so all medicine treats symptoms at some level
    - throwaway19972 2y ago
      Sure, but none of us know what the impact this drug will have on a societal level yet. Saying we've "fixed" anything is ridiculous.
daedrdev 2y ago
But this drug is basically mind controlling people to live healthier. Its not countering an unhealthy lifestyle, it improving their current lifestyle

sodality2 2y ago

They don't support an unhealthy lifestyle any more than a miracle pill that stopped a harmful drug addiction would. Would you oppose its release since it's not actually "natural" to use medicine to stop your addiction, when you should instead use pure willpower? This simply doesn't make sense. We live in a world of enormous abundance, exacerbated by companies min-maxing foods to have the most addictive properties humanly possible, at cheap prices.

throwaway19972 2y ago
I realize obesity is a major problem, but so is neuroticism about health, weight, and diet. I agree with the nagging feeling that using a drug to address hunger is likely to have negative consequences for some people. EDIT: obsession -> neuroticism
- ykonstant 2y ago
  > I realize obesity is a major problem, but so is obsession about health and weight. The scales of the two problems are not even remotely comparable.
  - throwaway19972 2y ago
    I don't think this is true at all. Peoples' obsession with solving obesity as a cure-all for human health deserves pushback. There's also a concerning degree of moralizing it that has no place in our culture but has taken firm root.
    - sodality2 2y ago
      In 1990, no US state had more than 20% obesity. In 2018, no US state had less than 20% obesity. [0]: https://obesity.procon.org/us-obesity-levels-by-state/ https://obesity.procon.org/us-obesity-levels-by-state/ and https://stateofchildhoodobesity.org/data-by-policy/ https://stateofchildhoodobesity.org/data-by-policy/ Obesity has been linked to a huge number of health harms and they've been known for decades. [1]: https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/obesity-health-consequences-of-being-overweight https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/obe... and https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/weight-management/adult-overweight-obesity/health-risks https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/weight-manageme... I think you may be right that there's room for nuance about obesity, especially moralization about it, but you simply cannot deny that it's a huge problem in the US

taeric 2y ago

Its being celebrated because it is an amazing development? I think I can agree that, ideally, people will bootstrap healthy lifestyles and not need the aide long term. I don't know how you could justify that as a reason not to be glad the aide exists, though?

daedrdev 2y ago

This medicine literally aids people to become healthy. They will gain years of life from the lost weight. Their lifestyle changes to be healthier by eating less, which many are unable to do without help because the human body has millions of years of baked in evolution demanding we overeat if able

Extropy_ 2y ago
My father has used ozempic. He hails it as a wonder drug, yet he does little to nothing to change his behaviours because he can rely on this crutch. I see that as concerning
- nemomarx 2y ago
  Is he not eating less? If it's reducing appetite that seems like the biggest change of behavior you'd want, right?
  - Extropy_ 2y ago
    You're suggesting that appetite is the cause of obesity. I don't agree with that notion. Repeatedly giving into your "appetite" will reinforce overeating
- daedrdev 2y ago
  I dont really think an ancedote is a good argument. We have studies showing many people eat less on ozempic and loose substantial amounts of weight, and its main effect is not even the weight loss but reducing heart problems and fixing blood sugar in diabetes patients
  - Extropy_ 2y ago
    He lost substantial amounts of weight. He sees it as a solution to his problem of being overweight and does nothing to change his lifestyle. I'm concerned that celebrating this drug as a simple solution to Obesity sends that message to other people as well EDIT: celebrating Ozempic as a simple solution to obesity is literally what I'm referencing my Dad doing

GooglyThird 2y ago

Think I generally agree with your sentiment, but my understanding of how Ozempic works is that it kills your appetite. The "unhealthy lifestyle" you're referring to is one of overeating. Ozempic doesn't support a person to continue overeating, it removes the desire to overeat. From that perspective it is aiding people to become healthy.

Extropy_ 2y ago
Sure, yes it is aiding people to become healthy in that sense. Is it healthy to rely on drugs to change your thought and behaviour patterns? I definitely see this drug as a useful tool when combined with a plan to not continue using it for the rest of your life. I see relying on this drug continuously as a problem, thinking "oh, there's no need to try and change my behaviours on my own, this drug will do it for me."
- abduhl 2y ago
  How do you feel about drugs prescribed for mental health (Prozac, Zoloft, etc.)? Why do you feel differently (if you do feel differently)?
  - Extropy_ 2y ago
    It depends on the person. Major depressive disorder is an inexplicable depression that is not brought on by the circumstances of your life, I think SSRIs are a suitable treatment for that. I think that it's important to consider all factors of a persons life when deciding whether or not they should be prescribed medication that suppresses ALL emotion, not just negative emotion. Positive constructive therapy to help people better their lives ought to be considered in cases that may not necessarily be a disordered condition (i.e., they have a shitty life and need to be a better person to themself and others to be happy and feel good about themself)
- daedrdev 2y ago
  If a drug has zero side effects, than it is obviously healthy. Ozempic has side effects, so we cna do a cost benefit analysis to argue that the various benefits of not being obese outweigh its problems. We clearly see many people are unable to loose weight without it, given nearly 50% of people are at an unhealthy weight, thus its likley a net positive.

stevenAthompson 2y ago

I guess it's because some of us aren't as perfect as you. If humans stopped eating sugar we wouldn't need most dentists. Should we stop celebrating dental advances?

Extropy_ 2y ago
Dentists will tell you to eat less sugar. The company that manufactures ozempic will tell you that you don't have to do anything but use our drug
- stevenAthompson 2y ago
  They do not tell you that. You are wrong. From their FAQ: "Ozempic® is a medicine for adults with type 2 diabetes that, along with diet and exercise, may improve blood sugar. While not for weight loss, Ozempic® may help you lose some weight."
- deleted 2y ago
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- consteval 2y ago
  They literally never tell you that. I'm so fucking sick of people just making shit up about medicine and doctors in general! "Oh they'll all tell you you don't need to do anything just takes this pill and then the pill fixes you hurr durr!" Okay nobody says that. Nobody has ever said that. You made that up, everyone who says that makes that up. If you go to the doctor and you smoke the first thing out of their mouth is "quit smoking". If you're obese they're gonna DRILL "lifestyle changes" into your skull. Where the fuck is this absolute delusion that "big pharma just gives pills!!1!" coming from? This has literally never been how medicine works.
  - stevenAthompson 2y ago
    < Where the fuck is this absolute delusion that "big pharma just gives pills!!1!" coming from? The way this is phrased is a little rude, but hey it's the internet. I'm actually curious where this idea comes from as well. I hear it all the time, but have never experienced anything close to it in all of my years on the planet. Is it some kind of political trope? Something that used to be true that older people haven't realized changed a long time ago? Does it come from 70's sitcoms? It's certainly never happened to me with any of the doctors I've ever seen, met, or worked with, and I have decades of experience in healthcare adjacent fields. All of the doctors I've known actually really cared about their patients and would often complain that the patient just wanted pills and weren't more compliant when it came to things like diet, exercise, and quitting their vices.

Oarch 2y ago

Why is this being celebrated? Call me cynical, but maybe because Big Pharma has the deepest pockets and is one of the largest (if not the largest) spender on advertising out there.

daedrdev 2y ago
Or maybe its because the majority of the population will loose years of life from being overweight or obese

satisfice 2y ago

It’s only unhealthy if the drug isn’t used. Imagine if there were a button on your head that when you pushed it all alcohol in you blood would be cleared out with no negative effect on your liver. In that case, heavy drinking would NO LONGER BE an unhealthy lifestyle. Kids would be able to drink alcohol with no problems.

javier123454321 2y ago

Its weird that people are celebrating the fact that our lifestyle and food supply is so bastardized that it's causing people to become unhealthy to the point where they need a lifelong drug to overcome it. I get why the manufacturers and big pharma likes it, but it seems that it's also celebrated by many individuals, like you see in this and other HN threads. This drug is a symptom of a sick culture, and not cause to celebrate. I don't at all blame the individuals that have this prescribed to them for taking it, but it just seems like a technochratic solution addressing superficial symptoms of a much larger problem.

stevenAthompson 2y ago
Smoking causes lung cancer. I don't smoke, but if they found a cure for lung cancer I would celebrate that rather than griping about "personal responsibility" or whatever it is your grievance here is. This thing objectively and subjectively improves the lives of the people you share this world with. If you have a problem with that it might be time to turn your gaze inward.
- javier123454321 2y ago
  I'm upset that we just accept a society that requires a lifelong commitment to purchasing a drug as an appropriate answer, rather than looking at real causes of why people are so unhealthy. I don't think it's exclusively a matter of personal responsibility, rather a supply chain and incentive structure to produce sick people that need medication to be healthy. This is a band aid.
  - mapontosevenths 2y ago
    > This is a band aid Yes, and like a band-aid it will help sick people heal. Which is a good thing, that should be celebrated. I don't believe that I've ever heard anyone espouse the idea that nothing else in the patients life should change, or that the drugs alone are a complete answer. Although, that seems to be the counter position to your argument. Everyone knows that fat people need to eat less and exercise more, including the fat people. These drugs help them do that. The drugs are advertised, sold, and prescribed that way and include advice to that effect in the informational pamphlets they come with in addition to usually including a lecture from your physician. What else do you need before you can just be happy for people that are struggling a little less now?

r00fus 2y ago

> I thought medicine was about aiding people to become healthy This is exactly what this medication does. I don't understand what confusion there is - this medication undoes the damage that a poor lifestyle choice creates, then gives the user to choose again.

nthdesign 2y ago

I've struggled with weight my entire life (I'm in my forties). Back in 2019, I lost 80 pounds. I carefully regulated my calorie intake to 1,800 per day. I discovered I have an absolutely terrible sense of portion size, and absolutely never feel "full" or satiated. I also made it a point to close all three Activity rings on my Apple Watch every day. I felt better, I had more energy, and I was able to enjoy more things in my day-to-day life. Even with all of those positives, a series of difficult life events during the first year of COVID took me out of my routine, and I haven't been able to bounce back. I would like to try a GLP-1 to see if it could give me a boost in the right direction again. I have no interest in being on it, or any medication, forever. Thankfully, I've never been addicted to anything other than food. I never liked alcohol, nor did I get any positive feeling from it. So, I don't drink. I've never been enticed by drugs, so I've never used them. I went to Atlantic City once, but have never gambled another day in my life. Being spared from these other addictions isn't a matter of my amazing willpower. I'm simply not drawn to those addictions. Nor do I think that people who battle those addictions simply have a lack of willpower. I believe it's much deeper than that. I agree that celebrating a medication as a cure-all solution is problematic. But, I don't think that's what most people think about GLP-1s. I think most most people simply want, and deserve, a little help in a difficult and complex world.

consteval 2y ago

> support an unhealthy lifestyle Do people not know what Ozempic does? Ozempic doesn't make you sit around, eat like a pig and you lose weight. That's not what it does. Ozempic makes you eat less, curbing overconsumption. People on Ozempic are also much more likely to exercise. It does not "support an unhealthy lifestyle". It literally does the opposite. > People need to live healthy lives to be healthy Okay, Ozempic helps people live healthy lives. Just like having a personal trainer helps people live healthy lives. Would you say having a personal trainer is "supporting an unhealthy lifestyle"? Of course you wouldn't.