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Cwal: Scripting Engine Without a Language

67 points by weeber 2y ago

rpastuszak 2y ago
Tangent/funny coincidence but seeing the domain wanderinghorse and the name Cwal, I assumed it comes from PL cwał (meaning "full gallop"). (it doesn't and it's pronounced as "see-wall")
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  for a PL-named PL, how about https://kokogut.sourceforge.net/kogut.html https://kokogut.sourceforge.net/kogut.html ?
johnecheck 2y ago
The author should provide their definition of 'language'. I suspect that my definition is much broader. In my eyes, such a subset of JSON absolutely can be a language in its own right. Indeed, I'd consider the idea of a usable computation model without a language an impossibility.
mcphage 2y ago
Interesting, but the page says the project is in retirement.
pipeline_peak 2y ago
I know this spoils the fun but couldn’t u just ask an AI to write your language engine? Edit: based on my -2 karma, some of you guys don’t sound very open minded.
- shakna 2y ago
  Buulding a VM is not a beginner task. You can get going if you have some basic understanding of various things, but getting anything half decent tends towards being a research project. e.g. Scheme, Lua, etc. AI, as it stands, screws up the basics, let alone something if this scope. It has no formal reasoning. A virtual machine is a formal reasoning engine.
  - pipeline_peak 2y ago
    > AI, as it stands, screws up the basics, let alone something if this scope Do you have examples?
    - Novosell 2y ago
      Ask the LLM for examples of LLMs fucking up on simple tasks. Either it succeeds, proving the point, or fails, also proving the point. I had both GPT-4o and llama3.1, through duck.ai, make up kscreen-doctor commands the other day. Commands that were easily formatted by simply looking at the output of kscreen-doctor --help.
    - shakna 2y ago
      Pretty much everything shown here [0] [0] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2410.05229 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2410.05229
zem 2y ago
very interesting project! the docs don't use the phrase "virtual machine"; i wonder if they don't consider it one, and if so, what the distinction is.

67 points by weeber 2y ago

Tangent/funny coincidence but seeing the domain wanderinghorse and the name Cwal, I assumed it comes from PL cwał (meaning "full gallop"). (it doesn't and it's pronounced as "see-wall")

082349872349872 2y ago
for a PL-named PL, how about https://kokogut.sourceforge.net/kogut.html https://kokogut.sourceforge.net/kogut.html ?

johnecheck 2y ago

The author should provide their definition of 'language'. I suspect that my definition is much broader. In my eyes, such a subset of JSON absolutely can be a language in its own right. Indeed, I'd consider the idea of a usable computation model without a language an impossibility.

mcphage 2y ago

Interesting, but the page says the project is in retirement.

pipeline_peak 2y ago

I know this spoils the fun but couldn’t u just ask an AI to write your language engine? Edit: based on my -2 karma, some of you guys don’t sound very open minded.

shakna 2y ago
Buulding a VM is not a beginner task. You can get going if you have some basic understanding of various things, but getting anything half decent tends towards being a research project. e.g. Scheme, Lua, etc. AI, as it stands, screws up the basics, let alone something if this scope. It has no formal reasoning. A virtual machine is a formal reasoning engine.
- pipeline_peak 2y ago
  > AI, as it stands, screws up the basics, let alone something if this scope Do you have examples?
  - Novosell 2y ago
    Ask the LLM for examples of LLMs fucking up on simple tasks. Either it succeeds, proving the point, or fails, also proving the point. I had both GPT-4o and llama3.1, through duck.ai, make up kscreen-doctor commands the other day. Commands that were easily formatted by simply looking at the output of kscreen-doctor --help.
  - shakna 2y ago
    Pretty much everything shown here [0] [0] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2410.05229 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2410.05229

zem 2y ago

very interesting project! the docs don't use the phrase "virtual machine"; i wonder if they don't consider it one, and if so, what the distinction is.