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So you went to Wikipedia. Now do some real research. "Unbiased" means presenting the facts: what actually happened. You're right; it's not the same as "present

So you went to Wikipedia. Now do some real research. "Unbiased" means presenting the facts: what actually happened. You're right; it's not the same as "presenting both sides."

readthenotes1 2y ago
I would think that unbiased would mean presenting all the pertinent facts. Nowadays, "bothsideism" is considered a mortal sin in journalism and only the facts that support a particular viewpoint should be transmitted. Any other facts are d/misinformation and should be censored.
- AlbertCory 2y ago
  > unbiased would mean presenting all the pertinent facts Exactly. As Edward R. Murrow used to say, "Don't tell me what you think. Tell me what you know."
  - runarberg 2y ago
    Thats not what journalists do (or at least not good ones). Journalists’ job is to contextualize the facts and interpret them in a wider sense. I’m also not sure this is actually an Edward R. Murrow quote. I went looking but couldn’t find the source. The closes I found was: > American traditions and the American ethic require us to be truthful, but the most important reason is that truth is the best propaganda and lies are the worst. To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be truthful. It is as simple as that. https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1084314 https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1084314 Which actually place more into what I’m saying, that a good journalist will tell a truthful story with the aim of persuading people of their viewpoint (which hopefully is a worthy one; not e.g. denying a genocide) The quote you presented I only found one instance of on the web which was here: > I learned from my first daily newspaper editor, when I was pitching a story about improper personal favors dispensed by local government to a prominent landowner, that my suspicions meant nothing until I could prove it. “Don’t tell me what you think, tell me what you know,” the late Joe Ellis, editor and publisher of the Clarksdale (Mississippi) Press-Register, admonished me. https://virginiamercury.com/2021/02/01/dont-tell-me-what-you-think-tell-me-what-you-know-media-bias-real-and-perceived-is-a-threat/ https://virginiamercury.com/2021/02/01/dont-tell-me-what-you... And even here the context around the quote is advocating for using true stories to persuade the readers of a certain viewpoint, that corrupt politicians are bad actually. The context here of Mintpress News being a heavily biased journal—which they undoubtedly are—presenting a true story while trying to persuade readers that a genocidal army is doing other bad things. This is good journalism actually.

So you went to Wikipedia. Now do some real research. "Unbiased" means presenting the facts: what actually happened. You're right; it's not the same as "presenting both sides."

readthenotes1 2y ago

I would think that unbiased would mean presenting all the pertinent facts. Nowadays, "bothsideism" is considered a mortal sin in journalism and only the facts that support a particular viewpoint should be transmitted. Any other facts are d/misinformation and should be censored.

AlbertCory 2y ago
> unbiased would mean presenting all the pertinent facts Exactly. As Edward R. Murrow used to say, "Don't tell me what you think. Tell me what you know."
- runarberg 2y ago
  Thats not what journalists do (or at least not good ones). Journalists’ job is to contextualize the facts and interpret them in a wider sense. I’m also not sure this is actually an Edward R. Murrow quote. I went looking but couldn’t find the source. The closes I found was: > American traditions and the American ethic require us to be truthful, but the most important reason is that truth is the best propaganda and lies are the worst. To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be truthful. It is as simple as that. https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1084314 https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1084314 Which actually place more into what I’m saying, that a good journalist will tell a truthful story with the aim of persuading people of their viewpoint (which hopefully is a worthy one; not e.g. denying a genocide) The quote you presented I only found one instance of on the web which was here: > I learned from my first daily newspaper editor, when I was pitching a story about improper personal favors dispensed by local government to a prominent landowner, that my suspicions meant nothing until I could prove it. “Don’t tell me what you think, tell me what you know,” the late Joe Ellis, editor and publisher of the Clarksdale (Mississippi) Press-Register, admonished me. https://virginiamercury.com/2021/02/01/dont-tell-me-what-you-think-tell-me-what-you-know-media-bias-real-and-perceived-is-a-threat/ https://virginiamercury.com/2021/02/01/dont-tell-me-what-you... And even here the context around the quote is advocating for using true stories to persuade the readers of a certain viewpoint, that corrupt politicians are bad actually. The context here of Mintpress News being a heavily biased journal—which they undoubtedly are—presenting a true story while trying to persuade readers that a genocidal army is doing other bad things. This is good journalism actually.