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Small nitpick: the example "LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S (“ß” U+00DF) uppercases to the two-character sequence “SS”:³ Straße ⇒ STRASSE" is slightly wrong, it seem

by cyxxon 2y ago

Small nitpick: the example "LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S (“ß” U+00DF) uppercases to the two-character sequence “SS”:³ Straße ⇒ STRASSE" is slightly wrong, it seems to me, as we now do actually have a uppercase version of that, so it should uppercase to "Latin Capital Letter Sharp S" (U+1E9E). The double-S thing is still widely used, though.

mkayokay 2y ago
Duden mentions this: "Bei Verwendung von Großbuchstaben steht traditionellerweise SS für ß. In manchen Schriften gibt es aber auch einen entsprechenden Großbuchstaben; seine Verwendung ist fakultativ ‹§ 25 E3›." But isn't it also dependent on the available glyphs in the font used? So f.e. it needs to be ensured that U+1E9E exists?
- Kwpolska 2y ago
  I don't think there exists any code that makes uppercasing decisions based on the selected font. Besides, if it doesn't exist in the current font, there's probably a fallback font.
- NoInkling 2y ago
  According to Wikipedia: > "Since 2024 the capital ⟨ẞ⟩ is preferred over ⟨SS⟩." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F Check reference #5 and compare it to the older wording in reference #12.
Muromec 2y ago
But what if you need to uppercase the historical record in a vital records registry from 1950ies, but and OCRed last week? Now you need to not just be locale-aware, but you locale should be versioned.
pjmlp 2y ago
Lowering case is even better, because a Swiss user would expect the two-character sequence “SS“ to be converted into “ss“ and not “ß“. And thus we add country specific locale to the party.
- account42 2y ago
  Not just a Swiss user as there are many German words that use ss and not ß. And having an ss where there should be an ß will be a lot less disruptive as the inverse because people are used to ASCII limitations.
Rygian 2y ago
The footnote #3 in the article (called as part of your quote) covers the different ways to uppercase ß with more detail.

by cyxxon 2y ago

mkayokay 2y ago

Duden mentions this: "Bei Verwendung von Großbuchstaben steht traditionellerweise SS für ß. In manchen Schriften gibt es aber auch einen entsprechenden Großbuchstaben; seine Verwendung ist fakultativ ‹§ 25 E3›." But isn't it also dependent on the available glyphs in the font used? So f.e. it needs to be ensured that U+1E9E exists?

Kwpolska 2y ago
I don't think there exists any code that makes uppercasing decisions based on the selected font. Besides, if it doesn't exist in the current font, there's probably a fallback font.
NoInkling 2y ago
According to Wikipedia: > "Since 2024 the capital ⟨ẞ⟩ is preferred over ⟨SS⟩." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F Check reference #5 and compare it to the older wording in reference #12.

Muromec 2y ago

But what if you need to uppercase the historical record in a vital records registry from 1950ies, but and OCRed last week? Now you need to not just be locale-aware, but you locale should be versioned.

pjmlp 2y ago

Lowering case is even better, because a Swiss user would expect the two-character sequence “SS“ to be converted into “ss“ and not “ß“. And thus we add country specific locale to the party.

account42 2y ago
Not just a Swiss user as there are many German words that use ss and not ß. And having an ss where there should be an ß will be a lot less disruptive as the inverse because people are used to ASCII limitations.

Rygian 2y ago

The footnote #3 in the article (called as part of your quote) covers the different ways to uppercase ß with more detail.