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I feel like we’re on the verge of seeing the start of a whole new wave of local-first apps (and "personal software" as mentioned here https://x.com/rauchg/statu

I feel like we’re on the verge of seeing the start of a whole new wave of local-first apps (and "personal software" as mentioned here https://x.com/rauchg/status/1840293374059839726 https://x.com/rauchg/status/1840293374059839726), but we’re really missing Rails-like frameworks that offer a complete package for development. Something that gives you all the tools you need—from syncing, conflict resolution, state management, authorization, background jobs in the context of local-first to deployment—without having to reinvent the wheel. I built a simple SaaS [1] to get a sense of what's missing and while React Router + a syncing local first database [2] + $5/month Cloudflare gets you pretty far, I still found myself needing to think through a lot of pieces [1] https://usequickcheck.com/ https://usequickcheck.com/ [2] https://fireproof.storage/ https://fireproof.storage/

halfcat 2y ago
Zero [0] is coming, from the people that made Replicache [0] https://zerosync.dev/ https://zerosync.dev/
- ForHackernews 2y ago
  This seems to be a local cache, not a local-first data store?
  - halfcat 2y ago
    Yes, Replicache is more the local-first solution, if you’re going for offline-capable with eventual data sync. But requires some work to integrate your API, and thinking about how to do conflict-free updates with your API. I haven’t gotten my hands on Zero yet, but the gist I get from those who have is that it gives you the same kind of experience with less work, where the client just operates from the local cache, and I’d assume there will be some way of lazy loading the entire data set into the cache which would give you offline capabilities if desired, but still functions as a traditional web app if the data set is too large.
- raybb 2y ago
  This sounds so fantastic. Thanks for sharing. I wonder how well it'll be able to incorporate into existing apps vs making new ones from scratch. I've been using Splitt.app a lot lately while traveling and it drives me nuts that it doesn't have better offline/low data support. I'd like to improve it but haven't dug into the site yet to see what it would take.

halfcat 2y ago

Zero [0] is coming, from the people that made Replicache [0] https://zerosync.dev/ https://zerosync.dev/

ForHackernews 2y ago
This seems to be a local cache, not a local-first data store?
- halfcat 2y ago
  Yes, Replicache is more the local-first solution, if you’re going for offline-capable with eventual data sync. But requires some work to integrate your API, and thinking about how to do conflict-free updates with your API. I haven’t gotten my hands on Zero yet, but the gist I get from those who have is that it gives you the same kind of experience with less work, where the client just operates from the local cache, and I’d assume there will be some way of lazy loading the entire data set into the cache which would give you offline capabilities if desired, but still functions as a traditional web app if the data set is too large.
raybb 2y ago
This sounds so fantastic. Thanks for sharing. I wonder how well it'll be able to incorporate into existing apps vs making new ones from scratch. I've been using Splitt.app a lot lately while traveling and it drives me nuts that it doesn't have better offline/low data support. I'd like to improve it but haven't dug into the site yet to see what it would take.