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Outside of the places where money is being made, money is not being made. Edit: but even when money is being made, the athletes don't get it.

jgalt212 2y ago
I'm trying to frame the problem--not say there isn't a problem. Athletes is too broad a term. You're engaging in tautologies.
- jogjayr 2y ago
  Sorry it sounded like you were saying there isn't a problem because you said > there is no real wage theft occurring I know you qualified it with > Outside of top men's basketball and football programs But that was my point. Where no one's making money, no one's making money.
LargeWu 2y ago
No, but many of them are getting a free or discounted education. Is that not something of value?
- jogjayr 2y ago
  It's non-zero value, but we can't say it's the market-clearing price for their services. And anecdotally the quality of that education is compromised. Student-athletes in the serious football and basketball programs spend a lot of their time at practice. During the season, travel to away games eats up much of their free time. They're "encouraged" to take only easy courses. There are reports of grading corruption so their GPA is high enough to remain eligible to play.
  - vehemenz 2y ago
    They still get admission to a university with lowered standards and a credential at the end of the day. A lot of these scholarship athletes aren't college material and wouldn't get in otherwise. There's some value there. It's kind of like rich kids who are bad students paying for admission into elite schools. Obviously there's value, otherwise they wouldn't have their parents pay for it.
    - jogjayr 2y ago
      Like I said it's non-zero value. But is it more value than a fair wage, negotiated without artificial restrictions? Why can't they grant the athletes admission and give them the option of either studying tuition-free, or pay tuition but earn a salary for playing?

jgalt212 2y ago

I'm trying to frame the problem--not say there isn't a problem. Athletes is too broad a term. You're engaging in tautologies.

jogjayr 2y ago
Sorry it sounded like you were saying there isn't a problem because you said > there is no real wage theft occurring I know you qualified it with > Outside of top men's basketball and football programs But that was my point. Where no one's making money, no one's making money.

LargeWu 2y ago

No, but many of them are getting a free or discounted education. Is that not something of value?

jogjayr 2y ago
It's non-zero value, but we can't say it's the market-clearing price for their services. And anecdotally the quality of that education is compromised. Student-athletes in the serious football and basketball programs spend a lot of their time at practice. During the season, travel to away games eats up much of their free time. They're "encouraged" to take only easy courses. There are reports of grading corruption so their GPA is high enough to remain eligible to play.
- vehemenz 2y ago
  They still get admission to a university with lowered standards and a credential at the end of the day. A lot of these scholarship athletes aren't college material and wouldn't get in otherwise. There's some value there. It's kind of like rich kids who are bad students paying for admission into elite schools. Obviously there's value, otherwise they wouldn't have their parents pay for it.
  - jogjayr 2y ago
    Like I said it's non-zero value. But is it more value than a fair wage, negotiated without artificial restrictions? Why can't they grant the athletes admission and give them the option of either studying tuition-free, or pay tuition but earn a salary for playing?