Right, understood that the standup was conceived under XP, which is a framework for operating self-organizing teams without managers, and it is likely you need

Right, understood that the standup was conceived under XP, which is a framework for operating self-organizing teams without managers, and it is likely you need that collaboration when you have no mangers. But when was the last time you saw a team without managers? When you have managers, the whole reason for their existence is to take that kind of management work off the plate of developers, so that the developers can focus on what's important. If you are having standups and managers, you need to seriously consider replacing the managers because they have straight up failed to do their job.