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Not this again. The ASPI methodology is to use algorithms to count journal citations to determine who is "ahead". They don't directly examine the state of the

Not this again. The ASPI methodology is to use algorithms to count journal citations to determine who is "ahead". They don't directly examine the state of the technology. That's not to say that the conclusion, at least broadly speaking, is necessarily wrong, but journal citations don't directly translate into implementable technology. It does make for great headlines however, which are free publicity for ASPI and whatever agenda they might be pushing.

stonethrowaway 2y ago
Even if ASPI overdid it, I think it’s prudent to look at China’s advancement momentum all the same. The issue is that at their scale anything they put their weight behind has immediate global ramifications, because so many countries have become uncontrollably dependent on China. So the money is definitely there (as opposed to here.)
- breerbgoat 2y ago
  The Chinese government can pay its scientists for papers that might not survive valid peer reviews all they want; up until this year anyways. They are utterly broke, and this won't last past this year.
  - Daishiman 2y ago
    This sounds like cope. The sheer volume of practical research that makes its way into Chinese manufacturing is astounding.
    - breerbgoat 2y ago
      Meh, wake me up when Chinese factories stop using european/american/japanese equipments and european/american/japanese softwares, because that's all they use.
      - Daishiman 2y ago
        Nice way to move the bar. The Chinese are crushing it in state-of-the-art EVs, batteries, solar, heavy manufacturing, produce pretty much every electronics component out there, have advanced chip lithography which has never been closer to what ASML offers, cheap steel, managerial skill to make massive infrastructure developments, and so on. And every single one of these points was, in the past 10 years, one of the "wake me up when" things that Americans with a superiority complex were going on about. You're about to get the rug pulled from under you and you didn't even see it.

stonethrowaway 2y ago

Even if ASPI overdid it, I think it’s prudent to look at China’s advancement momentum all the same. The issue is that at their scale anything they put their weight behind has immediate global ramifications, because so many countries have become uncontrollably dependent on China. So the money is definitely there (as opposed to here.)

breerbgoat 2y ago
The Chinese government can pay its scientists for papers that might not survive valid peer reviews all they want; up until this year anyways. They are utterly broke, and this won't last past this year.
- Daishiman 2y ago
  This sounds like cope. The sheer volume of practical research that makes its way into Chinese manufacturing is astounding.
  - breerbgoat 2y ago
    Meh, wake me up when Chinese factories stop using european/american/japanese equipments and european/american/japanese softwares, because that's all they use.
    - Daishiman 2y ago
      Nice way to move the bar. The Chinese are crushing it in state-of-the-art EVs, batteries, solar, heavy manufacturing, produce pretty much every electronics component out there, have advanced chip lithography which has never been closer to what ASML offers, cheap steel, managerial skill to make massive infrastructure developments, and so on. And every single one of these points was, in the past 10 years, one of the "wake me up when" things that Americans with a superiority complex were going on about. You're about to get the rug pulled from under you and you didn't even see it.