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Tō Reo – A Māori Spellchecker
- mydriasis 2y agoI see you've posted about Maori stuff a couple of times. I want to congratulate you, this is really, really great. Thank you for working to preserve a language and culture! You're presenting resources that are tough to find, and that's an amazing thing.
- shever73 2y agoA nice synchronicity here, I was only checking Māori words today because The Guardian's cryptic crossword was set by "Pangakupu" (which means, logically enough, "crossword"). This crossword setter always includes a hidden Māori word or phrase in the puzzle.
- Titan2189 2y agohttps://www.maoridictionary.co.nz/ https://www.maoridictionary.co.nz/ This is the dictionary I use most often
- hk__2 2y agoI get "Sorry, something went wrong. If this error persists, contact us." every time I type something.
- firstbabylonian 2y agoThanks — there was a cookie-related bug, which should now be resolved.
- scanny 2y agoAwesome work, love to see the effort on the technical front of bringing a language into broader use!
- stephantul 2y agoThis is very nice and important. We need more tools for small languages.
- neallindsay 2y agoexcellent use of a Punycode domain
- yardstick 2y agoI was going to disagree with you, because most kiwis have no idea how to write the special o (myself included), so they’d end up typing toreo.nz instead. Which as it turns out, redirects to xn--treo-l3a.nz anyway. Nice!
- EdwardDiego 2y agoI'm a fan of MacOS for making it real easy to type vowels with umlauts / macrons etc.
- samatman 2y agoUnfortunately the macron is the one missing dead-key accent on the US "ABC" layout. It's easy enough to hit the globe key when this comes up, but it annoys me a bit that Opt-y is ¥, and Shift-Opt-Y is Á, which is a duplicate: Opt-e-A will also produce it. I'd be happier if Opt-y was the macron dead key and Shift-Opt-Y took over for ¥: I can go a year without needing the Yen symbol, but it makes sense to have it. I don't think the English layout needs two ways to type Á though, it's excessive.
- _zoltan_ 2y agoa proper ő is also missing unfortunately
- EdwardDiego 2y agoI just hold down the vowel, then hit 9 for the macron.
- mkl 2y agoThe ō is an o with a macron. It's pretty easy to install a keyboard layout that supports it: https://kupu.maori.nz/about/macrons-keyboard-setup https://kupu.maori.nz/about/macrons-keyboard-setup. Many mobile keyboards support it by default with long presses to pop up an accent/variant chooser.
- addaon 2y agoSlightly off-topic, but it would be nice if HN interpreted punycode in link descriptions. Especially given that the links go through a redirect, which means that the browser status bar sees them as part of the query and not the domain, so the browser's own interpretation of punycode never gets applied.
- lpapez 2y agoYou can easily write a Tampermonkey Userscript for that. As HN doesn't update the CSS that often, should be quite low-maintenance solution.
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- samatman 2y agoSomeone always says this when a punycode link shows up. I'm glad they don't. What you see? That's the link. It's what the browser sends, it's what DNS resolves: it's the link. Displaying it as Unicode is just a display option, and it's one which opens up all manner of mischief through confusables. It's a hacker culture choice, and it's one I appreciate.
- TRiG_Ireland 2y agoOn the other hand, that's a rather ango-centric viewpoint.
- samatman 2y agoIt is! So kind of you to notice. Perhaps you could also notice that English is the language used on Hacker News. I'm quite sure a website centered in a different cultural landscape might choose a different convention. Good for them, I say. If URLs start being Unicode, and not an ASCII encoding which is sometimes displayed as Unicode, that would be a different story. But that's not how things are.
- zahlman 2y agoSeeing the Punycode link is actually a security feature, because it means you aren't tricked into visiting, say, pple-06g.com (apple with a Cyrillic a).
- ks2048 2y agoI can't type anything in the text area on Firefox. Works in Chrome (macOS).
- joemi 2y agoAlso doesn't work in Firefox on Windows but does in Chrome.
- XeO3 2y agoYeah, that element should be 'textarea' instead of 'div' or at least the 'contenteditable' should be true.
- firstbabylonian 2y agoThanks, Firefox support is in the works.
- NelsonMinar 2y agoWow neat! There's a great collection of Māori-made technology for te reo Māori. I'm thinking also of Te Hiku Media's work building a Māori speech recognition system: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/te-hiku-media-maori-speech-ai/ https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/te-hiku-media-maori-speech-ai/
- polemic 2y agoMy favourite is PAHU! https://pahu.maori.nz/ https://pahu.maori.nz/ - a lorem ipsum generator in te reo Māori.
- pabs3 2y agoIs the source code of this somewhere?
- timonoko 2y agoIs this true that Maaori is crapped by Ænglish spelling? In all other languages long vowel is just two wovels, not some stupid umlaut on top.
- TRiG_Ireland 2y agoIt's certainly not an umlaut. Nor yet is it a trema, which is what you probably mean. It's a macron, which is commonly used to mark long vowels.
- timonoko 2y agoSort-of. Because In Anglo world "aa" is "ä". Even ChatGPT thinks that it ok to use "AA" when making a Finnish morse generator. In hindsight Maaori is not so bad. Some American Indian writing systems are just pronunciation quides for Anglos (or French). I tried to study Haida some 30 years ago, but it was too complex and miserable, because there was no actual audio clips available at that time.
- TRiG_Ireland 2y agoChatGPT doesn't think, and I fail to see how it is in any way relevant to the discussion. Marking a long vowel with a macron has a long heritage, dating back to Ancient Greece at least. Yes, some other writing systems, such as Greenlandic, use a double vowel. Finnish seems to use ä, ö and å as independent letters, rather like Swedish and Danish, unlike German, were ä, ö and ü are regarded as a, o and u with a diacritical mark. These do not seem to be symbols which mark vowel length. I don't know Māori, but the Wikipedia page gives the alphabetical order for the language and does not list the long vowels separately, so I assume that, as with German or French, they're regarded as the standard letters with a diacritic mark added.
- peterashford 2y agoThey are indeed standard letters with diacritics added - but macrons are the only diacritical marks used for Māori. Some people do use double vowels but it's less common than using macrons.