> whose support for APIs was all over the map, which meant producing a shitload of JARs depending of what you needed I wouldn't be surprised if this was actual

> whose support for APIs was all over the map, which meant producing a shitload of JARs depending of what you needed I wouldn't be surprised if this was actually one of the reasons why Sun fought MS and Google when they tried to make their own "Java" versions (embrace+extend). They didn't want a repeat of the J2ME situation.