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Stop using Google Analytics and your need to place cookies and thus need for cookie popups vanishes. Goatcounter or Plausible will do fine. Some decent fronten

Stop using Google Analytics and your need to place cookies and thus need for cookie popups vanishes. Goatcounter or Plausible will do fine. Some decent frontend log parsing will also be a viable strategy. Stop feeding Google your customers data for free.

cornedor 2y ago
They mostly use it to monitor (and automate) how successful ads are. Plausible is not a drop-in replacement for such use cases.
- friendzis 2y ago
  You have sales data for that.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    Have you ever seen a marketeer say no to more data?
    - anonzzzies 2y ago
      Because it is there: don't make them choose; we have x and nothing more so you cannot have more.
      - wkat4242 2y ago
        Yeah but there's the rub. Asking Google to take analytics away just isn't going to happen. It makes them billions. And marketeers want this data because sales data only tells them where they succeeded. Not where they failed to sell, which is more interesting to them because that's where the growth is found. It'll be really hard to wean them off this.
        bortsampson 2y ago
        The EU can simply tell them they can no longer operate Analytics. Too bad if it's hard on Google. They are a preditory company that violates privacy rights. There is clearly competition in the markets they serve. Any threat of complete exit is empty. Those competitors are more than willing to gain any market they exit. These companies need to be put in check by the government or a regulatory body. Marketing and Advertising are toxic to the internet.
        wkat4242 2y ago
        > The EU can simply tell them they can no longer operate Analytics. Too bad if it's hard on Google. No they can't. The US doesn't even let them decide whether to supply chip machines to China. Or for Schiphol Airport to reduce slots for noise abatement. the US immediately trumped up diplomacy and raised threats to stop those things. Banning google analytics is just unthinkable in the current relationship between EU and US. I agree they are a predatory company but this is unfortunately how things are right now in the balance of power.
        squarefoot 2y ago
        This is why the AdNauseam extension is so hated by Google et al. It doesn't eliminate ads but rather fights against them using a different approach: polluting the well. It is built on Ublock Origin so it indeed blocks ads, but aside doing that it also silently clicks on all of them so that data collected by advertising companies suddenly become useless. https://adnauseam.io/ https://adnauseam.io/
        labster 2y ago
        I don’t get the argument. Sure it makes Google ad targeting worse, why would Google care? They have monopoly power in online ads and targeting doesn’t work that well anyway. As long as people keep buying the gimmick, no amount of bad data will amount to anything.
        ruthmarx 2y ago
    - timeon 2y ago
      That is why we have GDPR in a first place. But apparently we need something more strict then.

cornedor 2y ago

They mostly use it to monitor (and automate) how successful ads are. Plausible is not a drop-in replacement for such use cases.

friendzis 2y ago
You have sales data for that.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  Have you ever seen a marketeer say no to more data?
  - anonzzzies 2y ago
    Because it is there: don't make them choose; we have x and nothing more so you cannot have more.
    - wkat4242 2y ago
      Yeah but there's the rub. Asking Google to take analytics away just isn't going to happen. It makes them billions. And marketeers want this data because sales data only tells them where they succeeded. Not where they failed to sell, which is more interesting to them because that's where the growth is found. It'll be really hard to wean them off this.
      - bortsampson 2y ago
        The EU can simply tell them they can no longer operate Analytics. Too bad if it's hard on Google. They are a preditory company that violates privacy rights. There is clearly competition in the markets they serve. Any threat of complete exit is empty. Those competitors are more than willing to gain any market they exit. These companies need to be put in check by the government or a regulatory body. Marketing and Advertising are toxic to the internet.
        wkat4242 2y ago
        > The EU can simply tell them they can no longer operate Analytics. Too bad if it's hard on Google. No they can't. The US doesn't even let them decide whether to supply chip machines to China. Or for Schiphol Airport to reduce slots for noise abatement. the US immediately trumped up diplomacy and raised threats to stop those things. Banning google analytics is just unthinkable in the current relationship between EU and US. I agree they are a predatory company but this is unfortunately how things are right now in the balance of power.
      - squarefoot 2y ago
        This is why the AdNauseam extension is so hated by Google et al. It doesn't eliminate ads but rather fights against them using a different approach: polluting the well. It is built on Ublock Origin so it indeed blocks ads, but aside doing that it also silently clicks on all of them so that data collected by advertising companies suddenly become useless. https://adnauseam.io/ https://adnauseam.io/
        labster 2y ago
        I don’t get the argument. Sure it makes Google ad targeting worse, why would Google care? They have monopoly power in online ads and targeting doesn’t work that well anyway. As long as people keep buying the gimmick, no amount of bad data will amount to anything.
        ruthmarx 2y ago
  - timeon 2y ago
    That is why we have GDPR in a first place. But apparently we need something more strict then.