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Maybe a dumb question, but I wonder if this was a software attack or IL was able to modify the physical pagers that are issued during Hezbollah onboarding. If t
by gee_totes 2y ago
Maybe a dumb question, but I wonder if this was a software attack or IL was able to modify the physical pagers that are issued during Hezbollah onboarding. If this was a pure software attack, are only pagers susceptible? Or are we unknowingly carrying around bombs in our pocket, waiting for the counterattack?
- mminer237 2y agoThey 100% had a explosive added inside. Batteries cannot explode like that.
- diggan 2y agoAssuming a lithium battery and control over the firmware+power draw, couldn't you theoretically make the battery output more charge than safe, leading to at least overheating and maybe more? I also find it unlikely this was just a remote attack rather than supply chain, but with little to no details we can only assume for now.
- mminer237 2y agoYes, but compare a phone's much larger lithium battery exploding: https://youtu.be/8nz5ijXcckI?si=jpZOWIs3BIQTvVt2&t=31 https://youtu.be/8nz5ijXcckI?si=jpZOWIs3BIQTvVt2&t=31 With a Hezbollah pager exploding: https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1836037485492629605 https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1836037485492629605
- tamimio 2y agoThanks for the videos, obviously something extra was added.
- viraptor 2y agoNot really. This is about the worst your can do with a lithium battery in practice https://youtu.be/oieH2wwDGzo https://youtu.be/oieH2wwDGzo and that's a proper short in something way bigger than a pager. They don't explode like these were reported to.
- wing-_-nuts 2y agoThere's no way the little battery in a pager has enough energy to do this. This is a 'supply chain attack' by the Israelis. An ingenious one at that.
- aitchnyu 2y agoWhy waste it on a clever show instead of stalking their owners silently?
- piva00 2y agoProbably because they have been stalking for a while, and this escalation is a precursor to further action. Destroying lines of communication is usually done before military action.
- bathtub365 2y agoThey’re likely already stalking their owners via software exploits on their phones
- hersko 2y agoThe "clever show" has caused a mass casualty event of Hezbollah fighters. I would say it was an extremely effective attack.
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- rtkwe 2y agoIf the description of "exploding" and "tearing [a] bag to shreds" are accurate then it has to be a physical modification of the pagers, lithium ion batteries don't explode with a lot of force when they go up.
- krisoft 2y agoThere are CCTV videos purported to show some of the explosions: https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1836041245996584983 https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1836041245996584983 It is indeed not the kind of explosion I would expect to see from lithium ion. (Those usually are a lot more flame-y at least the ones I have seen so far.). But I'm not an expert.
- rtkwe 2y agoDefinitely looks more high explosive-y than all the lithium battery fires I've ever seen.
- AlbertCory 2y agoIf you put yourself in the position of Hezbollah's IT chief, you get a different picture than this question assumes. Let's assume you're somewhat competent and aware of supply chain vulnerabilities. Let's also assume that pagers are not that popular anymore, and you insist on a pager that's completely passive. It can't emit any signals at all, or the Mossad would track it. So you probably find some supplier of gear to the Iranians and other non-Western countries, and give them your specifications. That supplier is reliable, you think. It probably listens to a signal that Hez and only Hez transmits. It's Security By Obscurity, the choice of naive buyers everywhere. You certainly don't buy anything off the shelf. Well, we know what's wrong with Security By Obscurity: Mossad only has to decipher one secret.