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Reference: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#developer-profile-developer-roles https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#developer-profile-deve... Only around

by ghomem 2y ago

Reference: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#developer-profile-developer-roles https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#developer-profile-deve... Only around 11% of the whole devs identify as devops specialist or cloud infrastructure engineer. This is why I am saying ops people are a scarce good (unfortunately) from a data driven perspective. Of course my daily life confirms it.

finaard 2y ago
Most of my money comes from companies unable to handle even simple setups - and having trouble to find the right people, so I somewhat agree too. But it's mainly an education problem - it's pretty much impossible to find good people with that skillset, but it is possible to find people straight out of University willing to learn.
- ghomem 2y ago
  I fully agree with you: it is mostly an education problem and you can find people willing to learn right out of univ. Indeed, that is exactly my experience: I successfully onboarded several (carefully selected) junior people into the ops skillset over the years and I have seen them do wonders with customer systems, while enjoying their "ops life", without having fires every day. The connection of this to the replies above it: I am not sure if this kind of junior people would be easy to retain in a large corporate environment. We certainly can do that in niche consulting.
  - finaard 2y ago
    We're a tiny company doing ops as services for large corporations - with one customer now coming close to a decade. That solves the retaining problem as we have limited exposure to all that big corporation nonsense, and have the option for individuals to go on a vacation in other projects without losing their knowledge in the organisation.
    - ghomem 2y ago
      I had the exact same business for 18 years :-) and yes, without corporate nonsense it is easy to retain intelligent people. Cheers

by ghomem 2y ago

finaard 2y ago

Most of my money comes from companies unable to handle even simple setups - and having trouble to find the right people, so I somewhat agree too. But it's mainly an education problem - it's pretty much impossible to find good people with that skillset, but it is possible to find people straight out of University willing to learn.

ghomem 2y ago
I fully agree with you: it is mostly an education problem and you can find people willing to learn right out of univ. Indeed, that is exactly my experience: I successfully onboarded several (carefully selected) junior people into the ops skillset over the years and I have seen them do wonders with customer systems, while enjoying their "ops life", without having fires every day. The connection of this to the replies above it: I am not sure if this kind of junior people would be easy to retain in a large corporate environment. We certainly can do that in niche consulting.
- finaard 2y ago
  We're a tiny company doing ops as services for large corporations - with one customer now coming close to a decade. That solves the retaining problem as we have limited exposure to all that big corporation nonsense, and have the option for individuals to go on a vacation in other projects without losing their knowledge in the organisation.
  - ghomem 2y ago
    I had the exact same business for 18 years :-) and yes, without corporate nonsense it is easy to retain intelligent people. Cheers