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Teeth like employment at-will?

vkou 2y ago
It's generally quite unlikely that sharing your salary is going to result in getting bitten by that. You'd need to do labour organization (or be completely surrounded by rats and snitches and other vermin at your workplace, who already have an axe to grind) to actually get blowback for this stuff. Most of the taboo around it is cultural, because people here attach their self-worth to their paycheck. You could also always do it anonymously or pseudonymously. You'd have almost no chances of retaliation in that case.
- klingoff 2y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32216332 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32216332
  - vkou 2y ago
    The singular of anecdote is not data. Getting hit by lightning is also unlikely, but it happens to thousands of people every year. That doesn't mean I'll be flying a kite in a thunderstorm, but it also doesn't mean that you should lock yourself in a bunker the moment the sky turns grey. Most of the taboo around this is cultural, not retributive.
    - klingoff 2y ago
      Firing people at will includes firing them because you got the feeling they may be behaving in any way in any situation perhaps in conflict to any request you made. Odds are someone won't get fired for stealing office supplies and in at will place they may be more often fired for misunderstandings related to a misperception where they don't come clean on something they never did. That there was no way to sue the company in that example is a demonstration that the employee lacked any right to break any taboo. As such there are teeth anywhere that is at will for any request whether it is reasonable or not and whether it relates to a taboo the employee may be expected to have or not.
    - FactKnower69 2y ago
      >The singular of anecdote is not data. No funnier response to a post directly proving you wrong. L
  - qwytw 2y ago
    Isn't being dismissed because of something like that and being able to prove it is a bit like winning a lottery?
yencabulator 2y ago
Basically the only advantage an employee can have in this sort of negotiation is not needing to be employed by that company.

vkou 2y ago

It's generally quite unlikely that sharing your salary is going to result in getting bitten by that. You'd need to do labour organization (or be completely surrounded by rats and snitches and other vermin at your workplace, who already have an axe to grind) to actually get blowback for this stuff. Most of the taboo around it is cultural, because people here attach their self-worth to their paycheck. You could also always do it anonymously or pseudonymously. You'd have almost no chances of retaliation in that case.

klingoff 2y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32216332 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32216332
- vkou 2y ago
  The singular of anecdote is not data. Getting hit by lightning is also unlikely, but it happens to thousands of people every year. That doesn't mean I'll be flying a kite in a thunderstorm, but it also doesn't mean that you should lock yourself in a bunker the moment the sky turns grey. Most of the taboo around this is cultural, not retributive.
  - klingoff 2y ago
    Firing people at will includes firing them because you got the feeling they may be behaving in any way in any situation perhaps in conflict to any request you made. Odds are someone won't get fired for stealing office supplies and in at will place they may be more often fired for misunderstandings related to a misperception where they don't come clean on something they never did. That there was no way to sue the company in that example is a demonstration that the employee lacked any right to break any taboo. As such there are teeth anywhere that is at will for any request whether it is reasonable or not and whether it relates to a taboo the employee may be expected to have or not.
  - FactKnower69 2y ago
    >The singular of anecdote is not data. No funnier response to a post directly proving you wrong. L
- qwytw 2y ago
  Isn't being dismissed because of something like that and being able to prove it is a bit like winning a lottery?

yencabulator 2y ago

Basically the only advantage an employee can have in this sort of negotiation is not needing to be employed by that company.