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So your "search engine" uses Google and DuckDuckGo to get results? and you are creating it because "Google sucks"? Am I missing something here?

by ramigb 2y ago

wood_spirit 2y ago
Yeah I think they are trying to get a search-results-only view without the ads etc. Perhaps they would like startpage.com?
- chipdart 2y ago
  > Yeah I think they are trying to get a search-results-only view without the ads etc. If that was the case then their description is completely off, as what they are doing is not creating a search engine but filtering results from other search engines. I mean, just because you pipe your output to grep it does not mean you created an entirely new app.
- bionsystem 2y ago
  startpage does have ads, it's just somebody else than google tracking you.
  - scrollop 2y ago
    You have just claimed that startpage is lying in their privacy policy. Please provide evidence for such a claim. https://www.startpage.com/en/privacy-policy?t=device https://www.startpage.com/en/privacy-policy?t=device "Our search result pages may include a small number of clearly labeled "sponsored links," which generate revenue and cover our operational costs. Those links are retrieved from platforms such as Google AdSense. In order to enable the prevention of click fraud, some non-identifying system information is shared, but because we never share personal information or information that could uniquely identify you, the ads we display are not connected to any individual user."
    - bionsystem 2y ago
      You're right, I thought they were collecting and not sharing to third parties, but they claim they do not collect at all. Still, there are ads.
Iulioh 2y ago
Kagi does that, is a paid subscription and HN does praise it a lot.
- ofiryanai 2y ago
  Kagi implements search from scratch, from the indexing through querying. This looks more like a frontend makeover
- squrky 2y ago
  It's a little unfair to say that Kagi "does that" and thereby imply that they merely repackage search results from Google and Bing. Kagi uses an array of different search sources that includes Google, DuckDuckGo, Apple, Wikipedia, Wolfram Alpha, and others, alongside their own small web crawlers. Their mission is to present search results in a user centric way and so they try to surface results that are directly useful to the user rather than the advertisers (they don't have advertising partners as far as I can tell), and correspondingly their business model supports that approach rather than being in conflict with it. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...

So your "search engine" uses Google and DuckDuckGo to get results? and you are creating it because "Google sucks"? Am I missing something here?

by ramigb 2y ago

So your "search engine" uses Google and DuckDuckGo to get results? and you are creating it because "Google sucks"? Am I missing something here?

wood_spirit 2y ago

Yeah I think they are trying to get a search-results-only view without the ads etc. Perhaps they would like startpage.com?

chipdart 2y ago
> Yeah I think they are trying to get a search-results-only view without the ads etc. If that was the case then their description is completely off, as what they are doing is not creating a search engine but filtering results from other search engines. I mean, just because you pipe your output to grep it does not mean you created an entirely new app.
bionsystem 2y ago
startpage does have ads, it's just somebody else than google tracking you.
- scrollop 2y ago
  You have just claimed that startpage is lying in their privacy policy. Please provide evidence for such a claim. https://www.startpage.com/en/privacy-policy?t=device https://www.startpage.com/en/privacy-policy?t=device "Our search result pages may include a small number of clearly labeled "sponsored links," which generate revenue and cover our operational costs. Those links are retrieved from platforms such as Google AdSense. In order to enable the prevention of click fraud, some non-identifying system information is shared, but because we never share personal information or information that could uniquely identify you, the ads we display are not connected to any individual user."
  - bionsystem 2y ago
    You're right, I thought they were collecting and not sharing to third parties, but they claim they do not collect at all. Still, there are ads.

Iulioh 2y ago

Kagi does that, is a paid subscription and HN does praise it a lot.

ofiryanai 2y ago
Kagi implements search from scratch, from the indexing through querying. This looks more like a frontend makeover
squrky 2y ago
It's a little unfair to say that Kagi "does that" and thereby imply that they merely repackage search results from Google and Bing. Kagi uses an array of different search sources that includes Google, DuckDuckGo, Apple, Wikipedia, Wolfram Alpha, and others, alongside their own small web crawlers. Their mission is to present search results in a user centric way and so they try to surface results that are directly useful to the user rather than the advertisers (they don't have advertising partners as far as I can tell), and correspondingly their business model supports that approach rather than being in conflict with it. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...