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> The fact that he's now free from custody sounds like this analysis was likely the right one. Or they released him because they're required to by law? Normall

> The fact that he's now free from custody sounds like this analysis was likely the right one. Or they released him because they're required to by law? Normally they need to release you after 24h, but in some cases of organized crime or terrorism, they can extend it to 72+h. https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI000032655481 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI0000...

littlestymaar 2y ago
Police must release you but the judge charged of leading the case can chose to jail you in a “preventive” fashion (It's literally called «détention préventive») if your odds of hiding or leaving the country are considered too high.
- p4bl0 2y ago
  You can generally avoid détention préventive if you are able to provide good garanties de re-présentation, i.e., if you can convince the judge that even if they release you, you will show up to court when asked to. These documents are generally proof of insertion in active life (having a stable job, family, etc.) that should prevent you from disappearing (e.g., in order not to lose your job). I don't know what those would be in this case. But then again, the justice system is never exactly the same for people in positions of power, as Durov is.
  - bobthepanda 2y ago
    I mean this is also how American bail generally works. Durov doesn't have a lot of permanent residency-style connection to France, and also has a lot of money though, so has the motive and means to flee.
throwaway48540 2y ago
Not if there is a risk that you will run away. That jail time shortens a potential prison sentence.
- croes 2y ago
  The best thing that could happen to France would be for him to run away. They want Telegram not him.
  - ath3nd 2y ago
    > They want Telegram not him. They actually want him to comply with the French law (a country which he is a citizen of) and timely remove the illegal content that he's been made aware of. If all Telegram chats were e2e encrypted, he'd have much more plausible deniability. But they aren't, so he is required by law (as a French citizen) to remove the offending content. The best thing he can do is stay, serve his sentence/pay his fine, and improve Telegram to have e2e encryption by default (or better yet, mandatory), and focus on e2e encryption for group chats. His resistance to do that over the years, along with his insistence that somehow Telegram is super secure make me wonder if he's not already been compromised.
    - codedokode 2y ago
      > They actually want him to comply with the French law (a country which he is a citizen of) and timely remove the illegal content that he's been made aware of. Do you have a confirmation for that or this is just your guess? Maybe they want access to all Telegram messages.
      - ath3nd 2y ago
        > Do you have a confirmation for that or this is just your guess The allegations are public, and that's what the allegations state. I can't and don't want to speculate on the "true" motives of the French authorities. Al Capone was also initially held only on taxes charges. > The investigation concerns crimes related to illicit transactions, child sexual abuse, fraud and the refusal to communicate information to authorities. The arrest warrant was issued by OFMIN, a French child protection agency, the group’s secretary general said in a post on LinkedIn. https://www.tf1info.fr/justice-faits-divers/info-tf1-lci-le-fondateur-et-pdg-de-la-messagerie-cryptee-telegram-interpelle-en-france-2316072.html https://www.tf1info.fr/justice-faits-divers/info-tf1-lci-le-... And some investigative journalism on the type of illegal activities going on in Telegram. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1828526705306411410.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1828526705306411410.html I am all for privacy of communication, but due to Telegram's insistence of not encrypting everything, this is easy to see/verify by authorities, and issue a takedown notice. > Maybe they want access to all Telegram messages. And maybe not. Do you have proof that they want that, or we are going to be speculating here? Cause, as I said, the arrest warrant is public and the allegations are public. I'd prefer not to speculate and focus on the facts. P.S If we are going to speculate here, my feeling is that the French authorities found that Telegram is a Russian held backdoor/honeypot or want to disrupt Russian war communications. They need some time to with Durov in custody, so they arrest him on charges they can arrest him on: failing to remove illegal content all the while letting Meta, X, and Rumble and others get away with the same.

littlestymaar 2y ago

Police must release you but the judge charged of leading the case can chose to jail you in a “preventive” fashion (It's literally called «détention préventive») if your odds of hiding or leaving the country are considered too high.

p4bl0 2y ago
You can generally avoid détention préventive if you are able to provide good garanties de re-présentation, i.e., if you can convince the judge that even if they release you, you will show up to court when asked to. These documents are generally proof of insertion in active life (having a stable job, family, etc.) that should prevent you from disappearing (e.g., in order not to lose your job). I don't know what those would be in this case. But then again, the justice system is never exactly the same for people in positions of power, as Durov is.
- bobthepanda 2y ago
  I mean this is also how American bail generally works. Durov doesn't have a lot of permanent residency-style connection to France, and also has a lot of money though, so has the motive and means to flee.

throwaway48540 2y ago

Not if there is a risk that you will run away. That jail time shortens a potential prison sentence.

croes 2y ago
The best thing that could happen to France would be for him to run away. They want Telegram not him.
- ath3nd 2y ago
  > They want Telegram not him. They actually want him to comply with the French law (a country which he is a citizen of) and timely remove the illegal content that he's been made aware of. If all Telegram chats were e2e encrypted, he'd have much more plausible deniability. But they aren't, so he is required by law (as a French citizen) to remove the offending content. The best thing he can do is stay, serve his sentence/pay his fine, and improve Telegram to have e2e encryption by default (or better yet, mandatory), and focus on e2e encryption for group chats. His resistance to do that over the years, along with his insistence that somehow Telegram is super secure make me wonder if he's not already been compromised.
  - codedokode 2y ago
    > They actually want him to comply with the French law (a country which he is a citizen of) and timely remove the illegal content that he's been made aware of. Do you have a confirmation for that or this is just your guess? Maybe they want access to all Telegram messages.
    - ath3nd 2y ago
      > Do you have a confirmation for that or this is just your guess The allegations are public, and that's what the allegations state. I can't and don't want to speculate on the "true" motives of the French authorities. Al Capone was also initially held only on taxes charges. > The investigation concerns crimes related to illicit transactions, child sexual abuse, fraud and the refusal to communicate information to authorities. The arrest warrant was issued by OFMIN, a French child protection agency, the group’s secretary general said in a post on LinkedIn. https://www.tf1info.fr/justice-faits-divers/info-tf1-lci-le-fondateur-et-pdg-de-la-messagerie-cryptee-telegram-interpelle-en-france-2316072.html https://www.tf1info.fr/justice-faits-divers/info-tf1-lci-le-... And some investigative journalism on the type of illegal activities going on in Telegram. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1828526705306411410.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1828526705306411410.html I am all for privacy of communication, but due to Telegram's insistence of not encrypting everything, this is easy to see/verify by authorities, and issue a takedown notice. > Maybe they want access to all Telegram messages. And maybe not. Do you have proof that they want that, or we are going to be speculating here? Cause, as I said, the arrest warrant is public and the allegations are public. I'd prefer not to speculate and focus on the facts. P.S If we are going to speculate here, my feeling is that the French authorities found that Telegram is a Russian held backdoor/honeypot or want to disrupt Russian war communications. They need some time to with Durov in custody, so they arrest him on charges they can arrest him on: failing to remove illegal content all the while letting Meta, X, and Rumble and others get away with the same.