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Nobody wants that running on their computer though. Maybe it's time to just give up on PC gaming and use dedicated game consoles instead, which are locked down
by NotPractical 2y ago
Nobody wants that running on their computer though.
Maybe it's time to just give up on PC gaming and use dedicated game consoles instead, which are locked down by design? The only real alternative seems to be running a cryptographically-verified known-good OS signed by one of the big three OS companies, which is also locked down enough such that cheating becomes impossible, or installing what is essentially kernel-level malware, just to play the latest games.
- pstrateman 2y agoWhy? Modern games all have 10GiB+ updated constantly that you're not disassembling. What's the difference?
- NotPractical 2y agoKernel vs user mode. On most desktop platforms there's barely any difference, but they're all moving towards supporting sandboxing to some extent.
- Hikikomori 2y agoDoes it matter when userspace software can already read all your files and access memory of processes run by your user? This kernel access boogeyman is practically meaningless.
- NotPractical 2y ago> access memory of processes run by your user I don't think this is possible on Windows without administrator. It certainly shouldn't be, if it is. But anyway, the fact that any userspace software can read all your personal files without any user confirmation as soon as you double-click on it is not a good thing, and as I said, all desktop operating systems are attempting to address this problem in some way, including Windows. I imagine the normalization of rootkit-style anticheat has become a pain point for the security team at Microsoft.
- Hikikomori 2y agoHow protected do you think you are from user space software you install?
- NotPractical 2y agoSandboxing on desktop isn't there yet, but on macOS and Linux it's possible to sandbox games such that they only have network access. If most games start requiring administrator/root access for anticheat purposes, sandboxing them at all becomes a non-starter.
- Hikikomori 2y agoThe two platforms that most games don't run on? Most multiplayer games already require "root" access.
- lomase 2y agoHow protected you feel against cheats with a driver made by Riot Games?
- Hikikomori 2y agoI don't play that game but their anticheat is best in class. All modern anticheat that pretends to be effective has a kernel driver anyway. But I was asking why people believe that they're safe from userspace software they install as that can read all the files and memory of processes of your user anyway.
- lomase 2y agoPeople don't belive they are safe. You can monitor every userspace software. You can't monitor drivers. Most people would say there is a clear difference in security there.