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You can use third party libs like Avalonia[1] or Uno[2] [1] https://avaloniaui.net/ https://avaloniaui.net/ [2] https://platform.uno/ https://platform.uno/

by pionar 2y ago

simion314 2y ago
Sure, nobody wants to write Winforms new applications today My point is about running existing applications on Linux, there are still issues with running .Net GUI stuff under wine and Mono was not a perfect implementation. I read in other comments that the newer .Net cross platform stuff is not a replacement for Mono for running this old applications. (nobody will rewrite them to use the current GUI stuff from MS since are old apps)
- moron4hire 2y ago
  No, Microsoft's .NET only supports WinForms on Windows. They do have an official cross platform GUI toolkit in MAUI, but it strangely does not support Linux.
  - runevault 2y ago
    Last I knew it is also considered pretty lackluster. Every time I read up on it it feels like, even beyond the lack of Linux support people just don't care for it. If I was building a cross platform native app with .NET I'd probably use Avalonia right now.
    - moomin 2y ago
      Yeah, the took an age delivering it, then it came out and most of the early reports were “It’s still not ready.” and then I think Microsoft just gave up. I think not supporting Linux was a tactical error, though. Some people will put up with a lot for Linux GUI support, and some of those people are the types who can resolve problems with your half-baked GUzi framework.
      - runevault 2y ago
        Oh yeah I agree lack of Linux support is a major issue. Just even without it there are so many other issues I dunno that Linux support helps much.
        neonsunset 2y ago
        Does it really need help? I struggle to imagine a scenario where one would consider MAUI not supporting Linux to be an issue (if we discard superficial bad faith concern) when Avalonia, Uno or, if you care about Linux as the main target, Gir.Core exist. And, at the end of the day, you have a tool with an extremely rich FFI capability so whatever is available from C you can use as well.
        runevault 2y ago
        Sorry I clearly was not clear enough. I mean specifically an issue with MAUI itself. I agree dotnet/c# have some solid UI options cross platform at this point. MAUI however seems to be at best a mess and at worst dead in the water.
  - sweeter 2y ago
    Windows: it's cross platform! Looks inside "Except for Linux" Huh
    - ashleighz 2y ago
      Contribute to the Maui backend for GTK and/or Qt, nothing is stopping you Alternatively, just because you're on .NET doesn't mean you need to use Microsoft sanctioned UI toolkits, just as C++ has no "official" UI toolkit. You're free to pick up some GTK or Qt bindings if you want a native feeling and your application is already architectures correctly. Alternatively, throw Imgui at it if you just need dev tooling, or maybe try other cross platform toolkits in the ecosystem like Avalonia or Uno
      - sqeaky 2y ago
        I don't think it's very productive to contribute to projects that are the victim of strategic sabotage.
        dirtyhippiefree 2y ago
        Reminds me of when Microsoft told Apple…I’ll let Wired break down “knifing the baby”… https://www.wired.com/1998/11/knifing-the-baby/ https://www.wired.com/1998/11/knifing-the-baby/
  - stackskipton 2y ago
    >but it strangely does not support Linux. Support reasons. Still isn't the year of Linux Desktop.
    - eitland 2y ago
      > "The future is already here – it's just not evenly distributed." Were I live and work (IT and consulting in central south-east Norway) it has been the year of the Linux Desktop on and off since 2009. That was the first time I worked full time at a place that deployed Linux for everyone and everything that didn't have a verified reason for needing Windows. I think we had one 3rd party trading software running on a Windows machine and maybe the CEO and someone in accounting got Windows. Everyone else was upgraded to Linux and it worked beatifully. It was my job to support the sales department with desktop related issues and it was absolutely no problem to do it while also being a productive developer. Since then I have not worked on a place that required Linux, but I think most of the places I have worked on since has had Linux as an option as long as you supported it yourself, and some places also have been very active writing how-tos and working with me to troubleshoot issues that were related to Linux, since many of them were also Linux users. At the moment I use Mac, but at my current job I'm also allowed to use Linux.
    - WorldMaker 2y ago
      Open Source Support reasons. If Linux developers want better MAUI support there is a "Community Repo" to contribute to and help move things further along. The impression is that if things were further along it might get formally "adopted" (by the Dotnet Foundation) for "official" out-of-the-box "support", but it isn't far enough along and doesn't seem to have enough contributors with enough momentum. It currently seems that the Venn Diagram of "Developers that say they want MAUI support for Linux" and "Developers that would contribute to Linux support for MAUI" has too small of an intersection. Sure, Microsoft could pay more employees to work on it faster, but Linux loves and prefers open source from Linux devs "untainted by Microsoft", right?
- stuaxo 2y ago
  For this, having wine in charge makes sense - though, as with many things wine you could be waiting a while.
- ashleighz 2y ago
  With commercial applications that want to just take their existing code and have it run on Linux with only a couple lines changed, Avalonia XPF will do that
- Zekio 2y ago
  I've had pretty good success running WinForms apps in wine, and just straight up installing latest version of dotnet in wine. Works better in proton from my experience though, but I think that is due to making unity games run better
  - simion314 2y ago
    It is not perfect, there are issue depending if you need 32 or64 bits or if you need .net4 or greater. Games work but I have issues running tools like mod managers, game save cleners that are made with .net . In my case Sims3 works fine but not the Sims3 Launcher(this tools has more features then just launching the game like importing custom content/mods ) Sadly some Java tools stopped working if you run latest Java runtime because for some reason some crap was removed from Java and nobody made some easy way to add them back with soem package install.

You can use third party libs like Avalonia[1] or Uno[2] [1] https://avaloniaui.net/ https://avaloniaui.net/ [2] https://platform.uno/ https://platform.uno/

by pionar 2y ago

You can use third party libs like Avalonia[1] or Uno[2] [1] https://avaloniaui.net/ https://avaloniaui.net/ [2] https://platform.uno/ https://platform.uno/

simion314 2y ago

Sure, nobody wants to write Winforms new applications today My point is about running existing applications on Linux, there are still issues with running .Net GUI stuff under wine and Mono was not a perfect implementation. I read in other comments that the newer .Net cross platform stuff is not a replacement for Mono for running this old applications. (nobody will rewrite them to use the current GUI stuff from MS since are old apps)

moron4hire 2y ago
No, Microsoft's .NET only supports WinForms on Windows. They do have an official cross platform GUI toolkit in MAUI, but it strangely does not support Linux.
- runevault 2y ago
  Last I knew it is also considered pretty lackluster. Every time I read up on it it feels like, even beyond the lack of Linux support people just don't care for it. If I was building a cross platform native app with .NET I'd probably use Avalonia right now.
  - moomin 2y ago
    Yeah, the took an age delivering it, then it came out and most of the early reports were “It’s still not ready.” and then I think Microsoft just gave up. I think not supporting Linux was a tactical error, though. Some people will put up with a lot for Linux GUI support, and some of those people are the types who can resolve problems with your half-baked GUzi framework.
    - runevault 2y ago
      Oh yeah I agree lack of Linux support is a major issue. Just even without it there are so many other issues I dunno that Linux support helps much.
      - neonsunset 2y ago
        Does it really need help? I struggle to imagine a scenario where one would consider MAUI not supporting Linux to be an issue (if we discard superficial bad faith concern) when Avalonia, Uno or, if you care about Linux as the main target, Gir.Core exist. And, at the end of the day, you have a tool with an extremely rich FFI capability so whatever is available from C you can use as well.
        runevault 2y ago
        Sorry I clearly was not clear enough. I mean specifically an issue with MAUI itself. I agree dotnet/c# have some solid UI options cross platform at this point. MAUI however seems to be at best a mess and at worst dead in the water.
- sweeter 2y ago
  Windows: it's cross platform! Looks inside "Except for Linux" Huh
  - ashleighz 2y ago
    Contribute to the Maui backend for GTK and/or Qt, nothing is stopping you Alternatively, just because you're on .NET doesn't mean you need to use Microsoft sanctioned UI toolkits, just as C++ has no "official" UI toolkit. You're free to pick up some GTK or Qt bindings if you want a native feeling and your application is already architectures correctly. Alternatively, throw Imgui at it if you just need dev tooling, or maybe try other cross platform toolkits in the ecosystem like Avalonia or Uno
    - sqeaky 2y ago
      I don't think it's very productive to contribute to projects that are the victim of strategic sabotage.
      - dirtyhippiefree 2y ago
        Reminds me of when Microsoft told Apple…I’ll let Wired break down “knifing the baby”… https://www.wired.com/1998/11/knifing-the-baby/ https://www.wired.com/1998/11/knifing-the-baby/
- stackskipton 2y ago
  >but it strangely does not support Linux. Support reasons. Still isn't the year of Linux Desktop.
  - eitland 2y ago
    > "The future is already here – it's just not evenly distributed." Were I live and work (IT and consulting in central south-east Norway) it has been the year of the Linux Desktop on and off since 2009. That was the first time I worked full time at a place that deployed Linux for everyone and everything that didn't have a verified reason for needing Windows. I think we had one 3rd party trading software running on a Windows machine and maybe the CEO and someone in accounting got Windows. Everyone else was upgraded to Linux and it worked beatifully. It was my job to support the sales department with desktop related issues and it was absolutely no problem to do it while also being a productive developer. Since then I have not worked on a place that required Linux, but I think most of the places I have worked on since has had Linux as an option as long as you supported it yourself, and some places also have been very active writing how-tos and working with me to troubleshoot issues that were related to Linux, since many of them were also Linux users. At the moment I use Mac, but at my current job I'm also allowed to use Linux.
  - WorldMaker 2y ago
    Open Source Support reasons. If Linux developers want better MAUI support there is a "Community Repo" to contribute to and help move things further along. The impression is that if things were further along it might get formally "adopted" (by the Dotnet Foundation) for "official" out-of-the-box "support", but it isn't far enough along and doesn't seem to have enough contributors with enough momentum. It currently seems that the Venn Diagram of "Developers that say they want MAUI support for Linux" and "Developers that would contribute to Linux support for MAUI" has too small of an intersection. Sure, Microsoft could pay more employees to work on it faster, but Linux loves and prefers open source from Linux devs "untainted by Microsoft", right?
stuaxo 2y ago
For this, having wine in charge makes sense - though, as with many things wine you could be waiting a while.
ashleighz 2y ago
With commercial applications that want to just take their existing code and have it run on Linux with only a couple lines changed, Avalonia XPF will do that
Zekio 2y ago
I've had pretty good success running WinForms apps in wine, and just straight up installing latest version of dotnet in wine. Works better in proton from my experience though, but I think that is due to making unity games run better
- simion314 2y ago
  It is not perfect, there are issue depending if you need 32 or64 bits or if you need .net4 or greater. Games work but I have issues running tools like mod managers, game save cleners that are made with .net . In my case Sims3 works fine but not the Sims3 Launcher(this tools has more features then just launching the game like importing custom content/mods ) Sadly some Java tools stopped working if you run latest Java runtime because for some reason some crap was removed from Java and nobody made some easy way to add them back with soem package install.