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How long did it take you to go from "making a new server / copying configs is fine" to "this is tedious enough I'd like to abstract it?" Like, was it a years-l

How long did it take you to go from "making a new server / copying configs is fine" to "this is tedious enough I'd like to abstract it?" Like, was it a years-long journey or is this the type of thing that becomes immediately obvious once you start working w/ N servers or something? I'm trying to learn the space between "physical machines in my apartment" and "cloud-native everything" and that's led me to the point where I'm happily using cloud-init to configure servers and running fun little docker compose systems on them.

abra0 2y ago
That's where I am too right now for personal projects, and I ended up reimplementing parts of Dokuploy for that, but I don't feel much of a need to move from "fun little docker compose" for some reason
duckmysick 2y ago
For homelab (but not only) you can install Proxmox Virtual Environment on your physical machine. You end up with a way to create VMs and containers with a web UI. It supports cloud-init too. If you have a spare machine it's excellent for experimenting and learning. https://www.proxmox.com/en/proxmox-virtual-environment/overview https://www.proxmox.com/en/proxmox-virtual-environment/overv... https://proxmox-helper-scripts.vercel.app/ https://proxmox-helper-scripts.vercel.app/
dewey 2y ago
I wanted to self-host more of my Rails projects and Dokku comes with nice Buildpack support so I can just push a generic Rails app and it'll run out of the box. That plus that I had to set up a new server after many years made me look into that more.
imtringued 2y ago
cloud-init is good, but it assumes that you treat your VMs like containers and that means you will need a lot more VMs that you constantly create and destroy and you will have to deal with block storage for persistence. If all you do is ssh into a system with docker compose installed, you will hardly benefit from cloud-init beyond the first boot.

abra0 2y ago

That's where I am too right now for personal projects, and I ended up reimplementing parts of Dokuploy for that, but I don't feel much of a need to move from "fun little docker compose" for some reason

duckmysick 2y ago

For homelab (but not only) you can install Proxmox Virtual Environment on your physical machine. You end up with a way to create VMs and containers with a web UI. It supports cloud-init too. If you have a spare machine it's excellent for experimenting and learning. https://www.proxmox.com/en/proxmox-virtual-environment/overview https://www.proxmox.com/en/proxmox-virtual-environment/overv... https://proxmox-helper-scripts.vercel.app/ https://proxmox-helper-scripts.vercel.app/

dewey 2y ago

I wanted to self-host more of my Rails projects and Dokku comes with nice Buildpack support so I can just push a generic Rails app and it'll run out of the box. That plus that I had to set up a new server after many years made me look into that more.

imtringued 2y ago

cloud-init is good, but it assumes that you treat your VMs like containers and that means you will need a lot more VMs that you constantly create and destroy and you will have to deal with block storage for persistence. If all you do is ssh into a system with docker compose installed, you will hardly benefit from cloud-init beyond the first boot.