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Telegram is genuinely the best general communication platform I have ever used, by far. I really hope he has a good lawyer and this doesn't end up getting essen

Telegram is genuinely the best general communication platform I have ever used, by far. I really hope he has a good lawyer and this doesn't end up getting essentially murdered for creating it. When you create something that is objectively great, everyone will use it - including bad actors.

Mistletoe 2y ago
You like it better than Signal? The only thing I know Telegram for is several of my girlfriend’s relatives being exposed to crazy scams and right-wing conspiracy theories and misinformation on it.
- rpgbr 2y ago
  Signal has better governance, plus e2ee mandatory, while on Telegram is optional and rarely used. Telegram also has a “social media” aspect with huge groups and channels, which attracts many people, but is a depart from the whole secure chat messaging it’s still known for. IMHO, Signal is way better.
- 14 2y ago
  This is exactly my experience as well. I have never actually used telegram as I was early a signal user and never needed it but my ex used it. All she ever used it for was conspiracy garbage she would follow. Anti covid vaccine doctors and groups mainly. The amount of misinformation she tried to show me and every time I would show her how it was fake she still would not believe me. Then she was even scammed out of $10k from telegram when she fell for a romance crypto scam. The conspiracy stuff is a main reason we broke up it was every single one from flat earth to fake moon landing to all the covid world economic forum world take over and on and on. Most of these came from telegram.
  - logicchains 2y ago
    The reason you consider all that misinformation is because it's politically sensitive information and every single other social media company and the vast majority of western-aligned media censor it, so the only place you come across such information is in the uncensored Telegram platform, and assume it must be false because all the other media you consume tells you so.
    - 14 2y ago
      No I do not assume the moon landing was fake because other media outlets won't cover it. I do not think the earth is flat because news outlets won't cover it. The list goes on. I also do not think the covid beliefs I have come from the fact that mainstream news outlets won't cover it. I strongly believe a narrative was painted and information censored and controlled when it did not fit the narrative they wanted. I was first to criticize the Canadian government on how they handled the vaccine rollout and mandates. I did however spend a lot of time doing my own research and listening to any information my ex showed me and also researching those sides to things and formed a well informed opinion. I sought out other opinions and studies. I did my best to follow the science. Not at all what you are implying. In the end my ex was only interested in the opposite which was any narrative that said the vaccine was poisonous, we are being forced to take it because this is a world culling and in the next few years population is about to crash as it has now effected our sperm and dna so we will not be able to have children and the crazy thought kept on coming almost all fueled by telegram chat groups pushing that stuff.
      - commercialnix 2y ago
        Did she also believe the "fine people both sides" thing was a hoax?
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  frankly signal is a lot buggier than telegram and people like having their chat history.
bangaroo 2y ago
i gotta agree, i basically live out of telegram. even with the recent trend towards adding incremental bloat to the client, it’s managed to stay a simple, straightforward tool for communicating with minimal advertising and enough of the features that i need front and center.
BoredPositron 2y ago
Video and Audio calls are hit and miss. The history and search are not reliable. The interface is not really suited for big group chats... I could go on and on.
- aldanor 2y ago
  How big is a "big group chat" in your definition? It's perfectly fine for a few thousand people
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  i find history and search very reliable in my experience but agree about the calls compared to e.g. messenger
loceng 2y ago
And tactics exist outside of control of communications, to capture these bad actors, to infiltrate their ranks; why are these alternatives to fighting the production of child exploitation and abuse content not brought up in conversation ever?
mpeg 2y ago
I use telegram for some group chats, but I'm not sure why tech-savvy people would like it so much – messages are not end-to-end encrypted which makes it an inferior choice compared to even whatsapp
- firesteelrain 2y ago
  I prefer Signal and it provides encryption.
  - jeroenhd 2y ago
    Signal has the better protocol and the better organisation behind it, but inferior apps and UX. It's unfortunate, really.
    - firesteelrain 2y ago
      Apps? I just use it for messaging. I haven’t noticed any major UX issues but I use it for one thing only
      - firesteelrain 2y ago
        On my Signal app screen, I have Chats, Calls and Stories. I could probably do without Stories. Periodically it prompts me for my PIN. Other than that it just works
        kaszanka 2y ago
        You can actually turn off Stories in the settings, then the option also disappears from the bottom bar.
      - yunohn 2y ago
        Yes, the messaging apps. They suck big-time. By far the worst communication app I’ve ever used. So many bugs… Telegram is indeed the best like others are saying, and WhatsApp is a distant second.
aquova 2y ago
I actually despise it. I'm not sure if this has changed, but after being forced to make an account under my phone number, it proceeded to send a message that I had joined to everyone who had my number in their contacts and was foolish enough to share them with Telegram. This included a rather vile woman whose number I apparently inherited from a deceased relative some years before. She didn't understand this and accused me of stealing his identity. While it was simple enough for me to brush it off, I couldn't believe they would allow and even encourage such a thing, so I almost immediately deleted my account and instead tried out one that wasn't so eager to lap up my personal details.
darthrupert 2y ago
Signal is much better, even if the UX is not quite as good as telegram's.
jacooper 2y ago
It's also the least private one (compared to whatsapp and signal.)
sailingparrot 2y ago
The fact bad actors are also using it is not the problem. His unwillingness to moderate content and cooperate with authorities is. Great UX doesn’t suddenly put you above the law.
lfmunoz4 2y ago
I don't understand why anyone uses Telegram if it there is no proof that it is secure. Their code isn't open source?
- rbho94 2y ago
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- mmis1000 2y ago
  There is no random hassle that get your account/group/channel deleted(unless you are doing real CP, which is a giant red line of telegram) or random limit for size of the group. And easy to use. That's it. Also the apis are almost completely free, so you can do lots of creative projects for fun.
- HDThoreaun 2y ago
  Most people dont give a shit about security. Telegram is easier to use than signal and has more features because auto encryption makes stuff like public chats difficult.
  - commercialnix 2y ago
    Exploit their smartphone then email tidbits of their more outstanding Facebook chats, SMS messages, maybe some nudes, and recordings of their phone calls. You will see the "I don't care about security attitude" do a hard 180 real quick.
    - HDThoreaun 2y ago
      Sure, but for now they dont care.
EasyMark 2y ago
Good lawyers won’t make much difference for him as the French government is tired of not being able to look at all our conversations. They want to start scaring people into compliance and verifying all their actions with the government or at least scaring the companies providing a (semi) private experience. This is mostly like just phase 1 of getting the keys that open up telegram servers to 5 eyes by getting Durov under their thumbscrews.
mihaaly 2y ago
The masses do not care much if ones do not do agains bad actors what are in their power just their pretty platform shall keep running, they will keep this one alive too and argue for it to the death, don't worry, the masses could argue for any malicious thing that they find pretty or nice or like for some reason. Can organize some protest or even riot too in a - unencrypted by nature - group channel, there will be scores to participate, as recent example show in other precious matters, maybe can loot some good scores too on the side of the big party about a dear matter for the heart! Paris deserve the revenge! : /
majani 2y ago
They were great until they put fast downloads behind a paywall. It's like they're going out of their way to throttle download speeds nowadays

Mistletoe 2y ago

You like it better than Signal? The only thing I know Telegram for is several of my girlfriend’s relatives being exposed to crazy scams and right-wing conspiracy theories and misinformation on it.

rpgbr 2y ago
Signal has better governance, plus e2ee mandatory, while on Telegram is optional and rarely used. Telegram also has a “social media” aspect with huge groups and channels, which attracts many people, but is a depart from the whole secure chat messaging it’s still known for. IMHO, Signal is way better.
14 2y ago
This is exactly my experience as well. I have never actually used telegram as I was early a signal user and never needed it but my ex used it. All she ever used it for was conspiracy garbage she would follow. Anti covid vaccine doctors and groups mainly. The amount of misinformation she tried to show me and every time I would show her how it was fake she still would not believe me. Then she was even scammed out of $10k from telegram when she fell for a romance crypto scam. The conspiracy stuff is a main reason we broke up it was every single one from flat earth to fake moon landing to all the covid world economic forum world take over and on and on. Most of these came from telegram.
- logicchains 2y ago
  The reason you consider all that misinformation is because it's politically sensitive information and every single other social media company and the vast majority of western-aligned media censor it, so the only place you come across such information is in the uncensored Telegram platform, and assume it must be false because all the other media you consume tells you so.
  - 14 2y ago
    No I do not assume the moon landing was fake because other media outlets won't cover it. I do not think the earth is flat because news outlets won't cover it. The list goes on. I also do not think the covid beliefs I have come from the fact that mainstream news outlets won't cover it. I strongly believe a narrative was painted and information censored and controlled when it did not fit the narrative they wanted. I was first to criticize the Canadian government on how they handled the vaccine rollout and mandates. I did however spend a lot of time doing my own research and listening to any information my ex showed me and also researching those sides to things and formed a well informed opinion. I sought out other opinions and studies. I did my best to follow the science. Not at all what you are implying. In the end my ex was only interested in the opposite which was any narrative that said the vaccine was poisonous, we are being forced to take it because this is a world culling and in the next few years population is about to crash as it has now effected our sperm and dna so we will not be able to have children and the crazy thought kept on coming almost all fueled by telegram chat groups pushing that stuff.
    - commercialnix 2y ago
      Did she also believe the "fine people both sides" thing was a hoax?
whimsicalism 2y ago
frankly signal is a lot buggier than telegram and people like having their chat history.

bangaroo 2y ago

i gotta agree, i basically live out of telegram. even with the recent trend towards adding incremental bloat to the client, it’s managed to stay a simple, straightforward tool for communicating with minimal advertising and enough of the features that i need front and center.

BoredPositron 2y ago

Video and Audio calls are hit and miss. The history and search are not reliable. The interface is not really suited for big group chats... I could go on and on.

aldanor 2y ago
How big is a "big group chat" in your definition? It's perfectly fine for a few thousand people
whimsicalism 2y ago
i find history and search very reliable in my experience but agree about the calls compared to e.g. messenger

loceng 2y ago

And tactics exist outside of control of communications, to capture these bad actors, to infiltrate their ranks; why are these alternatives to fighting the production of child exploitation and abuse content not brought up in conversation ever?

mpeg 2y ago

I use telegram for some group chats, but I'm not sure why tech-savvy people would like it so much – messages are not end-to-end encrypted which makes it an inferior choice compared to even whatsapp

firesteelrain 2y ago
I prefer Signal and it provides encryption.
- jeroenhd 2y ago
  Signal has the better protocol and the better organisation behind it, but inferior apps and UX. It's unfortunate, really.
  - firesteelrain 2y ago
    Apps? I just use it for messaging. I haven’t noticed any major UX issues but I use it for one thing only
    - firesteelrain 2y ago
      On my Signal app screen, I have Chats, Calls and Stories. I could probably do without Stories. Periodically it prompts me for my PIN. Other than that it just works
      - kaszanka 2y ago
        You can actually turn off Stories in the settings, then the option also disappears from the bottom bar.
    - yunohn 2y ago
      Yes, the messaging apps. They suck big-time. By far the worst communication app I’ve ever used. So many bugs… Telegram is indeed the best like others are saying, and WhatsApp is a distant second.

aquova 2y ago

I actually despise it. I'm not sure if this has changed, but after being forced to make an account under my phone number, it proceeded to send a message that I had joined to everyone who had my number in their contacts and was foolish enough to share them with Telegram. This included a rather vile woman whose number I apparently inherited from a deceased relative some years before. She didn't understand this and accused me of stealing his identity. While it was simple enough for me to brush it off, I couldn't believe they would allow and even encourage such a thing, so I almost immediately deleted my account and instead tried out one that wasn't so eager to lap up my personal details.

darthrupert 2y ago

Signal is much better, even if the UX is not quite as good as telegram's.

jacooper 2y ago

It's also the least private one (compared to whatsapp and signal.)

sailingparrot 2y ago

The fact bad actors are also using it is not the problem. His unwillingness to moderate content and cooperate with authorities is. Great UX doesn’t suddenly put you above the law.

lfmunoz4 2y ago

I don't understand why anyone uses Telegram if it there is no proof that it is secure. Their code isn't open source?

rbho94 2y ago
[dead]
mmis1000 2y ago
There is no random hassle that get your account/group/channel deleted(unless you are doing real CP, which is a giant red line of telegram) or random limit for size of the group. And easy to use. That's it. Also the apis are almost completely free, so you can do lots of creative projects for fun.
HDThoreaun 2y ago
Most people dont give a shit about security. Telegram is easier to use than signal and has more features because auto encryption makes stuff like public chats difficult.
- commercialnix 2y ago
  Exploit their smartphone then email tidbits of their more outstanding Facebook chats, SMS messages, maybe some nudes, and recordings of their phone calls. You will see the "I don't care about security attitude" do a hard 180 real quick.
  - HDThoreaun 2y ago
    Sure, but for now they dont care.

EasyMark 2y ago

Good lawyers won’t make much difference for him as the French government is tired of not being able to look at all our conversations. They want to start scaring people into compliance and verifying all their actions with the government or at least scaring the companies providing a (semi) private experience. This is mostly like just phase 1 of getting the keys that open up telegram servers to 5 eyes by getting Durov under their thumbscrews.

mihaaly 2y ago

The masses do not care much if ones do not do agains bad actors what are in their power just their pretty platform shall keep running, they will keep this one alive too and argue for it to the death, don't worry, the masses could argue for any malicious thing that they find pretty or nice or like for some reason. Can organize some protest or even riot too in a - unencrypted by nature - group channel, there will be scores to participate, as recent example show in other precious matters, maybe can loot some good scores too on the side of the big party about a dear matter for the heart! Paris deserve the revenge! : /

majani 2y ago

They were great until they put fast downloads behind a paywall. It's like they're going out of their way to throttle download speeds nowadays